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L7 SA for both Norwich and Bolton looks v.strong so I'd expect the two underdogs to play better than expected tonight either drawing or maybe even winning.

L1 Sun is also strong for the home favourites as Andrew says with close trine MC but I just wonder if SA angularity thwarts them.

Of course I'd be a lot happier picking the favourites but I'll risk my neck. :-?
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Well done Daz :D

Andrew, I'm interested in your correct prediction of a draw for Wolves v Norwich. Could you provide a bit more detail on your reasoning please. I find draws the most difficult result to predict and would value your thoughts. I spent a long time thinking about it and eventually got it wrong :-sk

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Wolves - Norwich 2-2
Blackburn - Bolton 1-2

Thanks GB. My hopes of picking a scoreline or maybe even a combination were avail - however, not too bad all the same. Interesting prediction, Daz. Saturn WAS strong, however, the chart was radical and the Sun more exactly in aspect with the MC - sent me the wrong way in the game between Blackburn and Bolton. :-?

Regarding the draw, GB, we seem to observe that it may be called when either the Lord of the hour rules the ascendant by triplicity or is in the same triplicity as the Lord of the ascendant - becasue the triplicity tends to share things round. However, if the lord of the ascendant is in the same sign as the lord of the hour, this would tend to favour the team represented by the ascendant, mostly the home team.

The thumb rule I was appying, however, was that when the planetary hour is on the turn, it is like a changing of offices or changing of guards - as it were. Just as the hours are changing then the guards may be caught just as the shift occurs. The guards get 'caught on the bridge' and this seems to coincide with draws.

However, you might find might approach controversial, because I let the set of planetary hours follow my house system, so the change of hours is either when the Sun is on the cusp of a house (of which there are twelve) or at the intercection point in the middle, which does follow an unequal number of degrees according to size and growth/contraction of the houses.

The reason I choose to do this is becasue then I can instantly read the planetary hour out of any chart by knowing the day of the week. I also believe that hours and houses should be of the one and same system of division.
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Thanks Andrew, that is very interesting. I already use the half-house planetary hours and agree that it seems to work better than the fixed length ones (although with Placidus houses, which I don't use for this type of work, they are the same).

The planetary hour 'on the change' is an interesting idea. Do you allow a period before and after the start of the match? I will experiment with this.

Food for thought :D

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Spurs go into the match in an unusual situation, as they are currently ahead of Chelsea in the league but nevertheless Chelsea just the slightest of favourites despite playing away. L7 Saturn isn't as strong as previous matches whilst L1 Sun has moved away from the later degrees of Sag and into disciplined Capricorn so it should be all hands to the pump tonight!

Another tight match but I expect Chelsea to just shade it in the end.
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Well, I'll go for the draw then. The game starts in the Hour of Mars and the Sun, L1, and Mars, LHr, are in the same triplicity. Jupiter rules the ascendant by triplicity and is located on the 10th.

So let's check it out! :)

PS. The chart shows POF by night. Not reversing the formula, POF is 22CN46.
So LHr would be in the same sign as POS (Spirit). I don't know whether we should include an observation on this.
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Spurs - Chelsea 1-1!

I think it is always good to quote the result when the game is up. :)
Now I never tried using the angular planet and it's relationship to the sign on the ascendant before in passing judgement on the outfall of a football match. I.e. in this case Jupiter was angular, ruled the ascendant by triplicity and may have given testimony to the draw..

Still, we will have to try it out again. I do believe there may be a strike on in the Premier League during Xmas. I am not sure what it is about, but read a headline about it in the news.
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Now I never tried using the angular planet and it's relationship to the sign on the ascendant before in passing judgement on the outfall of a football match. I.e. in this case Jupiter was angular, ruled the ascendant by triplicity and may have given testimony to the draw..
Well done, Andrew. :' It is what I have been experimenting for a few last months and it seems to be working pretty well.

I use the sigs according to colours (Saturn for black, Jupiter blue, Mars red, Sun orange, Venus light blue, etc. with slight modifications) and see which dignity the planet has on ASC and whether it beholds ASC or not.
If I see that the planet rules ASC by triplicity, is in the same triplicity as the ruler of ASC (except in the same sign) or casts its trine to ASC (whole-sign) draw is a good option, unless there are some strong other testimonies, such as an angular sig or a close Moon's aspect to the sig or some other.

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I have a quiet moment now just before Xmas, so here is a game for Boxing day:

Stoke - Villa, 19.45 GMT
Odds: 1,90 3,25 4,10
Asc 18LE00 MC 1TA05 Moon 1AQ25 POF 14VI45
Day Moon , Hour Moon - not radical
This chart is interesting because Jupiter is on the MC and rules the ascendant by triplicity as in the previous game between Spurs and Chelsea. Obviously, this repeats itself at about the same time every day at the moment, and can therefore not be regarded as a major testimony. The lack of radicality could move the result away from the favourite, but it doesn't give any indication of how far away. Saturn L7 is in mr with Venus L10, advantage Villa yet this could also be reckoned as a minor testimony.

In the Championship there is also an interesting game at 17.30 GMT:
Birmingham - West Ham, 17.30 GMT
Odds: 2,45 3,25 2,70
Asc 24CN05 MC 25PI06 Moon 0AQ09 POF 19LE39
Day Monday, Hour Mercury - not radical
Mercury corrupts the Moon - mischief! Moon, L1, is in the 7th but applies in a square through signs of short ascension to Jupiter, who is both L10 and has dignities on the 1st. And then I feel I want to give priority to Mercury, who is L4, and in the degree of the nodes - does this bury the result or give favour to the guests? :???:

At this point in time I feel like Villa beating Stoke and a draw between B'ham and W'ham - but testimonies could have been clearer.
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L1 Sun is on a strong degree but then so was Chelsea a few days ago and they only managed a draw with very similar planetary positions. It could be a draw but as Andrew has gone for Villa I'll go for Stoke by a narrow margin. Birmingham are 11/10 favourites to win in the other match but L7 remains in exaltation in reception to venus and venus is in 7th so I fancy West Ham but maybe only a draw for them.

Stoke win.

Birmingham/W.Ham draw.
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In the Stoke v Aston Villa match you are both avoiding the draw! Given the similarity to the Tottenham v Chelsea match and the non-radical chart, I'm going for the draw.

Of the 3pm matches, Sunderland v Everton looks interesting. Using Placidus planetary hours the hour changes at 3pm, so Andrews 'changing of the guard' might be relevant (although I know you use Regiomontanus for this, Andrew). We also have the ascendant ruler by triplicity (Saturn) in a close trine to the ascendant. Finally, L7 (Jupiter) is stronger than L1 (Mercury), helping the away underdogs. So again I'm going for the draw.