Hello Jupiter1st:

Thanks for your reply Clelia. You are so right about my Mercury. It is not only detriment, retrograde and with Mars but also the ruler of 4th and 12th house. So its harm is more related to fears, anxiety which is ruled by 12th house. I haven't had an easy childhood as well. My Mercury sadly rules the 4th house which is also the end of life.

No, Mercury is not the ruler of the end of things. On the 4th house: Arabic method): The fisrt ruler of the triplicity rules parents in the first quarter of life, the 2nd rules lands in the 2nd quarter of the life and the 3rd ruler rules the end of things in the thrid part of life, so in your case it is Mars ( earth triplicity).

I consider my ascendant as hyleg and Mars as alcocoden.

May I ask you why you discarded the lunation before your birth,( the SAN) as the Hyleg and the Sun as alchocoden? And why you did the same with the Part of Fortune, which as the SAN has conditions to be the Hyleg and the Sun the Alchocoden?

Cl?lia

May I ask you why you discarded the lunation before your birth,( the SAN) as the Hyleg and the Sun as alchocoden? And why you did the same with the Part of Fortune, which as the SAN has conditions to be the Hyleg and the Sun the Alchocoden?

The Sun can not be alcocoden because he gives 120 years which doesn't make sense. I didn't consider the lunation because the ascendant seems to meet the conditions. If it failed as alcocoden, I would consider part of fortune and then the lunation.

jupiter1st wrote:

May I ask you why you discarded the lunation before your birth,( the SAN) as the Hyleg and the Sun as alchocoden? And why you did the same with the Part of Fortune, which as the SAN has conditions to be the Hyleg and the Sun the Alchocoden?

The Sun can not be alcocoden because he gives 120 years which doesn't make sense. I didn't consider the lunation because the ascendant seems to meet the conditions. If it failed as alcocoden, I would consider part of fortune and then the lunation.

I do not agree that the Sun must to be discarded because it is impossible to live 120 years.
If you do not believe in the rules, why to study them?

Masha?allah says that a wise man can not ask questions in his own behalf: now I can see how right he was.

Clelia wrote :

I do not agree that the Sun must to be discarded because it is impossible to live 120 years.
If you do not believe in the rules, why to study them?

I agree fully.

jupiter1st

We discussed the question of length of life in April. Your life potential (which gives alcocoden) is high. Better to be interested in life than death.

I don't want to know exactly when but Uranus will conjunct my part of death through my late thirties. I found my lifespan as 38-42 years. So I'm concerned about this synchronicity. Uranus-Part of death transit can mean sudden death. Yet, I know there are people who live long enough to see their Uranus-return, survive that transit. They seem to have strong vitality though.

jupiter1st wrote:I don't want to know exactly when but Uranus will conjunct my part of death through my late thirties. I found my lifespan as 38-42 years. So I'm concerned about this synchronicity. Uranus-Part of death transit can mean sudden death. Yet, I know there are people who live long enough to see their Uranus-return, survive that transit. They seem to have strong vitality though.

My father is 92 and well. He has the Sun in Aries in the 9th, Jupiter in leo in the ASC , Mars is Scorpio in the 3rd by division and in the 4th by whole signs and the Moon in the 7th in Aquarius.:-) He says that he is tired of living. He misses his old friends, his past life:it seems to him like if his past is a dream, a very surrealistic feeling!

My opinion is that it is sad to live too much or to dye when we are full of hopes to realize.

I wish you the best and the " most import": a HAPPY CHRISTMAS & NEW YEAR!

Cl?lia

Having such a long life might seem boring. Yet, short life can prevent native's becoming mature, correcting his mistakes and carrying out soul prupose.

By the way, Clelia, What do you think abot modern planets transiting part of death? Especially Uranus.

By the way, Clelia, What do you think abot modern planets transiting part of death? Especially Uranus]

In the past I used modern planets...but then I did not use Parts.

Now I use Parts, but besides Part of Fortune and Spirit they are not that important as other testimonies.

And now I don?t use modern planets. I think that in the future I?ll try to use Uranus, perhaps in conjunction to the angles and luminaries. I?ll give it a try.

As for the Part of Death it enters in the calculation of the so called killing planet a kind of almuten.
Personallly I would not give any importance to Uranus transiting this Part.

Cl?lia