My client has asked a chart about her troublesome marriage,doubting her husbands feelings and repeatedly saying how she feel very unhappy with a heavy sadness in her and is wondering wheter or not there is a true chance of happines for her in love. her husband is a Pisces,fitting the Pisces Dsc. The reason why I am coming towards you all with this chart is because I don't understand it,for some reason Mercury-Jupiter love horary charts have always been hard for me to crack not to mention that here technically she is also Venus which makes me feel confused so I'd really appreciate the input all of you could give to me regarding this chart and help me get better at interpreting it.


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All I see is thta square between Jupiter and Mercury in Aquarius ,not to mention Mercury combusted with the Sun in fall. Being that Jupiter is in Taurus in the 8th he himself is peregrine, prone to acting in a more michevious way rather than noble because he has no dignity o push him into doing the ''right thing'' , Venus in Pisces in the wife's 6th house turned his 12th makes me thing of another woman,who loves her husband and is a secret admirer, although she may not be so secret to the wife ( in her 6th house whilst in her husbands 12th house ) ,her husband I would say is in love with someone else and is feeling lost about not to mention the wife has some anxiety towards him,some type of fear or nerviousness around him or he causes her turmoil being in her 8th house of worry.
I'm confused about how to read the chart ( Im a semi-begginer ) because he as her husband is also Sun in Aquarius in a square to saturn which I would also interpret as another woman..Whom he is trying to get with physically and has a desire with her but things are not working out-....Sun-Satur combo- fire and ice combination, infatuation but not love,different personalities mesh just for a fling and here its not working out because of Suns callous intentions, Saturn here looks rejectful towards the Sun,whilst he as Sun is ''brning'' Mercury,his wife, blinding her with her rays so she doesnt see whats going on... his ''efforts'' towards Saturn.
On the other hand it looks like the wife has someone else as well, Mars being the other Man in Virgo in her first ..

I could say more about the chart I'm just skyming threw saying the basic things,I am really confussed how to interpret the chart because basically how can I say to the woman '' Well yes,you know,your husband is in the sign of someone else and while he is loving someone else he wants to sleep with another woman whos denying him and he is keeping you blinded from seeing that oh have a lovely day''

I hate how my rookieness in reading horary chart always shows whenever I have to deal with a Mercury-Jupiter combo. Can anyone also please explain to me the Jupiter in Taurus Mercury in Aquarius square too? Since I'm having a hard time grasping it.
Thanks guys and lemme know how you see the chart!

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Hello Razia,

I'd say that this horary is actually very clear, but that is my opinion on it. And I tend to strongly disagree with your analysis of it.

Yes, indeed the horary reflects how the wife is displeased or feeling shunned away. All of her significators are badly posited (Mercury combust and in Aversion to Virgo and Pisces, where the ruler of the 7th is, Moon in a Mars sign in the 8th and in aversion to Virgo where is her triplicity, Venus in opposition to Virgo, showing her doing something against her best interests). The only significator that is actually viewing (aspecting) the risign sign for her is Mars, that has some authority over Virgo because he belongs to the night sect, and is placed in the rising sign. And this is a Mars so slow, about to retrograde, that is prone to do bad, really bad.

The primary significator to the husband is Venus, in the 7th, in his own dignity. An exalted Venus in direct confrontation to the rising sign (180?) is not the best indication of something underhanded, and Virgo trines Taurus, where Jupiter is, so I would dismiss any unfaithfull behavior from his part. Really, Jupiter in the 9th sign is not full of dignity, but is direct and in a place of integrity (9th sign) so all pointing to a caring and compassionate husband, although, given Venus position in 7th, he could be a little self-centered and cold. Still, even that is highly prone to debate, cause Pisces is a very humid sign, and Venus and Jupiter are internally balanced.

It is the wife that seems to be out of her way, with Mercury in the 6th sign, combust of the Sun, showing she is doubly hidden, in combustion and below the horizon in an inimical house to the 7th (12th from 7th). Still, this horary points to a break up soon, as Venus applies to an oppostion with Mars, a sure sign of separation in my experience, and since Venus and Mars are kind of mutually applying, it is likely that at the exploding moment, they will both engage into a bitter confrontation. I'd advise the querent to take her time and see what's best for her, and if she is unhappy, to weigth down if the ending of the relation would be the best course. I'd bet that it will happen anyway, but I do not find advisable to put more wood to the fire, you just bring the possibility and let her make her own mind about it.

Another possibility is that the Sun is concerning an unfufilled desire for children on one of the partners, while the other does not like the idea, or is not able.

Saturn is very much removed from any focal point in this horary, but it's presence in the 2nd may indicate financial concerns, as Saturn indicates restraints to be considered on the wife's riches. Still, being in exaltation, seems like a petty concern, since it would point just a comparative downside as he goes retrograde, but not extreme misery or necessity for the querent, in the foretime. Besides, I do not see how Saturn could be at odds with the Sun or Mercury, as you said, since Saturn does receive both, and Mercury receives him back by triplicity in turn. If anything, it is the Sun, in detriment, that does dislike Saturn, showing that if the querent does have an affair, represented by the Sun, this supposed 3rd party would not enjoy even a tiny bit assuming responsability for her, for him she would be nothing short of a fling, albeit an enduring one, since Aquarius is a fixed sign.

Hope that helps.

Hi Tani!

This is Arijana btw
Im sorry if there was profanity,English is not my first language so maybe I said something in haste while I was describing, but I can assure everyone it was so due to my own frustration of not being able to read the chart correctly, so I apologize for any nasty words in advance.

Thank you so much PFN!
I loved your analisis. However, with all due respect and yo being the one that by far knows better than me, I would stick to the Jupiter-Mercury combo simply because the wife has mentioned a presence of another,blonde woman in their marrage, she described the woman as ''in he rsight'' whereas the husband is trying to keep the woman a secret,unaware that the wife knows about her and is asking around about her ( that to me rings true to the Venus in Pisces in the 6th-in plain view of the wife, whereas the hubby thinks she is hidden ). Jupiter in the 9th could also point towards the fact that she feels her husband distant from her.

How do you feel about that posibility?
would you say that the Sun could also represent the husbands physical body? I dont know why but for some reason ,although I did not say that to her I was kind of connecting Saturn to be the third party but yes,I see how I was on wrong on that one.

Ih,as for Saturn and Mercury and the denial, I thought so because not long ago I had a horary chart for an aquaintenance of mine where she asked wheter or not she would get together with a certain guy, the guy was Saturn and she was Sun,there was also another girl interested in him who was Mercury but he denied them both,so I wanted to connect that to this example as well but hnave forgoten you cant so easily blue print charts.

Hi Arijana

What exactly was the question for this one? You mention a client asking about a troublesome marriage, but asking what exactly? Whether the marriage is indeed troubled? What the future of the marriage is? What the husband is feeling?

If asking after the marriage then I would see the first as describing the pair, the actual marriage itself. Rather than separating into first and seventh.

Mercury here is combust by an ill dignified Sun, perfecting its combustion at about 17 degrees Aquarius.

In addition we have an ill dignified malefic in the first, which itself is the signficator of death.

Yes we can see that the marriage is troubled and argumentative and even that it may not survive due to the combustion of its significator and the presence of Lord 8 in its house and moon on the 8th house cusp.

Before combustion occurs however we have an opportunity with Mercury applying by square to Jupiter which may show some third party or a family member such as a father. It may also indicate counselling or some religious individual. I wonder if some marriage counselling may help here.

Failing that it could be that Jupiter is a third party, as in an affair. If so it would be with probably an older or distinguished man.

With the significator being burnt in the 5th I also wonder if issues pertaining to children are possibly part of the cause of this marital breakdown.

Paul stated:

What exactly was the question for this one? You mention a client asking about a troublesome marriage, but asking what exactly? Whether the marriage is indeed troubled? What the future of the marriage is? What the husband is feeling?

This definitely sounds like a Pisces 7th, the horary artist, as Jupiter is squared by Mercury. Big time confusion and Comunication problems.

Note: Moon in 7th, the matter(marriage) is almost VOC; except for the late opp to Saturn. Luna is definitely Not within Lilly's orbs.

And the consultantcy, this forum, represented by the 7th, seems to be quite confused as to what is the actual question!

The Asc./querant is separating from an opposition to Venus, and lord of the asc., Mercury being combust of the Sun and in the 5th(romantic affairs) shows some of the querant's crisis.

But we don't know enough about either the question nor what the querant has actually undergone!

Clinton Garrett Soule