Goca wrote:So, who will be the winner?
"Regard the planets as standing still, then move the MC forward until it forms a major aspect with one of the planets. The sign in which this planet falls will give the winning country; the planet itself shows the song."(Frawley)
Here first aspected planet is Ma in Vi. According to titles of songs I think song "We Are The Heroes" will be winner. Title fit with planet Ma, Ma is in Vi fits with Belarus country (Belarus declared independence on 25 August 1991). Dispositor of Ma is Me, band (more people) "Litesound" perform it. Me is in 5 house so that is North by West direction, fits with Belarus position from Azerbaijan.

By moving the MC forward, you mean clockwise or anti-clockwise? Cause if it's clockwise, the first planet that hits the MC is the Moon..

Re. Italy:

Janis wrote:?unbelievable,
I can?t wait to go
I like a rolling stone
you hit me BoomBoomBoom

Is the rolling stone a Planet in orbit around the Sun ? Pluto/Chiron are orbit crossers and both the breakers of walls, tied in the YOD with the Moon in Leo as focal/vocal planet.

Boom Boom Boom!?

geo wrote: By moving the MC forward, you mean clockwise or anti-clockwise? Cause if it's clockwise, the first planet that hits the MC is the Moon..

Forward means from 12 degree to 30 degree...

Sunrise charts of the two uppermost favourites:

Sweden - Loreen

Janis associated Euphoria with Jupiter conjunct the fixed star Algol. It's easy to see why...
Source: Wikipedia

Natal chart shows Sun in Libra and the Moon in Aquarius.

Sunrise chart

Italy - Nina Zilli

Many may feel more inclined to fall for Italian charm?
Source: Wikipedia

Sun in Aquarius, Moon in Leo. Check those ear rings!
I recall reading somewhere that Aquarius had large earlobes!

Sunrise chart
Could transit Moon in Leo on the night of the contest give Italy an extra push?

Euphoria is in the top 10 of many music charts at the moment. Since the Eurovision Song Contest is a popular contest, it's hard to see how this song can avoid wining with it's current popularity. There is no other competing song even close in the charts..

The Moon's closest applying aspect in the chart for the contest is it's quintile to exalted and elevated Saturn in Libra. This planet is also close the natal Sun of the artist Loreen in the 23rd degree of Libra. Venus recently made her station at 23GE59 and casts a trine. Loreen's Moon in Aquarius would prove her a worthy representative of the Aquarius nation Sweden. Her Sunrise Moon is in the degree of the nodes by sextile and also sextile the exaltation degree of the Sun. Jupiter at 26TA19 conjunct Algol on the night of the final will cast it's antiscia to 3LE41, which is conjunct the MC at 3LE11 in the sunrise chart of the artist.

The Sun of the artist is close to the exaltation degree of Saturn. I would probably have felt more comfortable with the song if Jupiter's joining with Algol was more in the forground of a chart. This isn't my type of music, honestly, but I asked my 15 year old daughter and she said it was OK.

Euphoria is in the top 10 of many music charts at the moment. Since the Eurovision Song Contest is a popular contest, it's hard to see how this song can avoid wining with it's current popularity. There is no other competing song even close in the charts..

Where did you unearth that Euphoria is in the top 10 of many music charts at the moment? I was looking through some and did not even find a reference to it.

There are some good testimonies which may support Sweden's entry winning but, in my opinion, the counter-testimonies are more persuasive. Correlations between her sunrise chart and the event do not convince me, for they mainly involve negative reception which is usually a "no" testimony.

Where did you unearth that Euphoria is in the top 10 of many music charts at the moment? I was looking through some and did not even find a reference to it.

Spotify has it in about 6th place in popular downloads. VG-list has it in the 4th position. I guess I could have been more thorough.

VG-lista (updates itself)

The lyrics of Euphoria is better than I assumed;

Why, why can?t this moment last forevermore?
Tonight, tonight eternity?s an open door?
No, don?t ever stop doing the things you do.
Don?t go, in every breath I take I?m breathing you?

Euphoria - Forever, ?till the end of time
From now on, only you and I
We?re going up-up-up-up-up-up-up

Euphoria - An everlasting piece of art
A beating love within my heart
We?re going up-up-up-up-up-up-up

We are here, we?re all alone in our own Universe,
We are free, where everything?s allowed and love comes first,
Forever and ever together, we sail into infinity,
We?re higher and higher and higher,
we?re reaching for divinity.

Forever we sail into infinity, We?re higher, we?re reaching for divinity?
Euphoria, euphoria
We?re going up-up-up-up-up-up-up

In the moment of the when the final kicks off, the Moon in Leo relates to the Beating of the Heart. There is a compromise with Lucifer through the quintile with exalted Saturn. The YOD to Chiron and Pluto may be compared with an opening of doors with the higher worlds.

I still have to confess that there are things about the image of the artist and the presentation that I do not understand, but if the younger generation will embrace the lyrics - that's OK with me.

I have been using astrology to predict Eurovision for several years, and have followed this forum with interest. The method I use is to look for an astrological resonance with the chart of the country and singers with the date of the event. I also factor in popularity in the polls and betting odds. As a rule of thumb, the winning country should be in the top ten (of odds and polls).

I think it can be easy to get overcomplicated and miss the obvious e.g. last year the angular sun in the 7th house predicted a couple, but somehow I missed that, as did many people. In other years I have been more successful. This year, there are two key features that stick out for me. Mercury is dispositor of both sun and moon, but is combust. Ultimately I think that identifies a mercurial theme, or possibly someone singing in a language other than English, who is not understood by most of the audience. It might also indicate technical problems in the transmission from Baku. Equally significant is venus retrograde, given that a song contest is a venusian event. Venus has only been retrograde once in the history of the competition. This was in 1969 when there were 4 winners, because there were no rules in the event of a tie. This proved to be very embarrassing for the organisers. Now the rules enable a winner to be chosen, but it could be an extremely close contest, with more than one contestant receiving the same score and one of them winning on a technicality such as the number of countries that voted for them.

The fact that mars rules the MC and venus is retrograde indicates to me that it is unlikely to be a female soloist. The moon may be angular, but it is not sufficiently so. I have found several countries and perfomers with mercury combust including Germany. Standing Still seems an apt description for a frustrated mercury. Norway has a similar theme in Stay and the singer has his birthday on the date of the competition. Venus retrograde is more rare and I have found one country, Estonia, with this. The title ?Listen? is appropriate, it is sung in Estonian and the singer has Jupiter on his sun at the time of the contest suggesting he will get a fortunate place in the running order. He was also selected when Mars was at the same degree as it will be on the date of the contest. Despite all these indicators, Estonia is too low down in polls and betting odds to be a winner, but is likely to do much better than expected.

In my view the country to watch is Iceland. The theme ?Never Forget? is suitable. It combines both the mercury theme and a venus retrograde looking back on the past. The two singers between them have a good resonance with the event. Greta has both sun combust mercury and venus retrograde natally. Jonsi has Sun conjunct Jupiter in Gemini, close to the sun of the contest. The Iceland chart has a stellium in Gemini with both mercury and venus closely conjunct the mercury and venus in the contest chart. Iceland also has several planets in Leo including Jupiter. The moon in Taurus is in the same sign as Jupiter in the competition chart. Finally in terms of the overall theme, Iceland seems to have the right elemental balance i.e. a certain detachment or distance (air) combined with drama (fire). There is very little water in the event chart, so I don?t think the winning song will be too emotional or gushy. One further point to make is not to underestimate technical skill which is suggested by mars in virgo. The jury has half the votes and they are measuring this. Playing an instrument always goes down well and the violin gives Greta a further edge.

Congratulations upon your first post, Fixed Star, and welcome.

I think it can be easy to get overcomplicated and miss the obvious e.g. last year the angular sun in the 7th house predicted a couple, but somehow I missed that, as did many people. In other years I have been more successful. This year, there are two key features that stick out for me. Mercury is dispositor of both sun and moon, but is combust. Ultimately I think that identifies a mercurial theme, or possibly someone singing in a language other than English, who is not understood by most of the audience. It might also indicate technical problems in the transmission from Baku.

Interesting. I also noticed that Mercury was in the degree of the Moon's South Node. This could indicate techincal problems - but there have also been some political issues this year involving how the locals (Mercury) were treated in conjunction with the arrangement.

Equally significant is venus retrograde, given that a song contest is a venusian event. Venus has only been retrograde once in the history of the competition. This was in 1969 when there were 4 winners, because there were no rules in the event of a tie. This proved to be very embarrassing for the organisers.

Very interesting indeed. There could be some embarrassment for the organisers.
Image: VG

There was embarrassment in Oslo in 2010, too, when Jimmy Jump entered the stage and took part in the Spanish entry.

I am adding all your interesting comments on various songs to the pot of observations. I changed my mind regarding my personal bet, though. Although I thought the chart liked France, the lyrics of Euphoria were too interesting in view of the Pluto, Chiron, - Moon in Leo quintile Saturn configuration. So I gave in for the favourite. Time will tell. It's just a show!

After watching live Cyprus' song yesterday, I think that's where I'll put my bets on afterall

- the singer is young & the song talks about love in a cheerful way (moon in leo disposed by sun in gemini)
- her sex-appeal is of mercurian nature (slim & not provocative)
- her performing along with girl dancers resembles girl virgin teenagers waiting for love to come.. (venus in gemini+MC ruler in virgo)

*singer Ivi Adamou has natal Sun 02Sag26 conj NN 03sag03, which will be both conj by transit NN 05Sag04

As FixedStar also suggested, it's also interesting to see that Cyprus' chart (16 Aug 1960) has Sun in Leo, Moon in Gemini & Venus in Virgo, all of them activated on May 26th. I think it does look promising