Nixx wrote:I think we can agree a high profile Football Match has an impact in the country overall, perhaps victory giving the average Joe a temporary pick me up. So if the Sun is the 'identity' of the nation it seems logical to focus on this body. On a natal chart if these 2 outers oppose the Sun we might say the person needs to be fighting the ?establishment? to feel more authentic. If so how do we or you, or have you already, constructed a mundane narrative for this pattern. ?

The various nations are sorted into signs and a planetary labeling that may be found in many good books on astrology; Ptolemy, Lilly, Watters... This system differs from national or constitutional charts. Regarding the astrology of the moment it appears that the Moon shows what is happening, while the Sun sets the background scene. The Moon is the swifter of the luminaries show she shows the flow of events, change and motion, while the influence or significations of the Sun may be predominant. In terms of planetary hours, the Lord or Lady of the Hour is like the officer on watch, or the person stood behind the shop counter, while the Lord of the Day is like the Shop Owner - often behind the scenes, but a deciding Manager.

Yes, we are working on and need to work on the mundane 'narrative'. It is a bit messy because there is so much going on - and are we talking in terms of absolutes? In stockmarket terms it requires a clear mind and conviction, because the psychology of the market will tend try to throw you off at the wrong ends.

Italy was just a footballing guess after their display against the Brits. However I would have seen them beat the Germans many times before, so this, lost at the time, memory may have been a factor.

Yes, and I was told that the Germans had NEVER beaten the Italians in an international tournament. What is that about? It is pure psychology? More like a curse, I think, something going on in a larger pattern. The two teams must have had a combat under a particular mundane configuration that 'sets a spell' that is not to be broken before the mundane cycle is completed. I do have a few examples of this related to the tripple conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn.

Reality wise I suspect a football match is won by the better team about 65-70% of the time, 15-20% a draw and 10-15% the weaker team wins. If so a savvy pundit should expect a roughly even return. Maybe ?105-110 back for every ?100 bet? So to suggest an astrological effect I reckon we need to be looking at around ?130. That's 6/7 out of 10 correct predictions. A big ask methinks.

We have looked into these statistics in previous threads and you are close in your estimates. You define the challenge perfectly. We're working on it but stuck at the level of understanding the problem and all the pieces. The thought of the Anima Mundi, backing something at the odds of 145.2593/1 is something that is enough to scare the wits off all of us, I think.

The various nations are sorted into signs and a planetary labeling that may be found in many good books on astrology; Ptolemy, Lilly, Watters... This system differs from national or constitutional charts. Regarding the astrology of the moment it appears that the Moon shows what is happening, while the Sun sets the background scene. The Moon is the swifter of the luminaries show she shows the flow of events, change and motion, while the influence or significations of the Sun may be predominant. In terms of planetary hours, the Lord or Lady of the Hour is like the officer on watch, or the person stood behind the shop counter, while the Lord of the Day is like the Shop Owner - often behind the scenes, but a deciding Manager.

Yes, we are working on and need to work on the mundane 'narrative'. It is a bit messy because there is so much going on - and are we talking in terms of absolutes? In stockmarket terms it requires a clear mind and conviction, because the psychology of the market will tend try to throw you off at the wrong ends.

Perhaps we need to think about throwing the baby out with the bathwater if we can't get to 6/7 out of 10 using these ''good books??, no matter how hard we try. Did Lilly do well at the Gog Magog Games, do we have years of betting slips demonstrating this?

Absolute in the sense we can be absolutley sure no astrological sporting contest effect can be suggested, or taken seriously, unless we can prove it statistically to the bookies, pundits or even academics.

Yes, and I was told that the Germans had NEVER beaten the Italians in an international tournament. What is that about? It is pure psychology? More like a curse, I think, something going on in a larger pattern. The two teams must have had a combat under a particular mundane configuration that 'sets a spell' that is not to be broken before the mundane cycle is completed. I do have a few examples of this related to the tripple conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn

Who knows, something to do with the 2nd world war? Football wise Italy has often been as strong if not stronger than the Germans. It's not the Faroe Islands and Brazil.

We have looked into these statistics in previous threads and you are close in your estimates. You define the challenge perfectly. We're working on it but stuck at the level of understanding the problem and all the pieces. The thought of the Anima Mundi, backing something at the odds of 145.2593/1 is something that is enough to scare the wits off all of us, I think

145/1 to one that folks here can come to an agreement. But what odds would a bookie give us if we asked for odds on us being able to predict outcomes , better than this I reckon. They may kick us out as we would potentially be putting them out of business and this would be the end of sport as we know it. Talk about ''match fixing''. Perhaps this is it, if we learn how to do it then we can no longer enjoy watching or playing so we undermine our understandings of the cosmic forces.

Perhaps we need to think about throwing the baby out with the bathwater if we can't get to 6/7 out of 10 using these ''good books??, no matter how hard we try. Did Lilly do well at the Gog Magog Games, do we have years of betting slips demonstrating this?

If anyone's got them, it is probably Philip Graves! Unfortunately, the first official bookmaker doesn't appear to have been around before the late 18th century. Apart from that there is the problem of understanding old rules and making them make sense in modern terminology. 10/1 that we are doing a better job here examining the problem than those astrologers who believe they know everything but who are not willing to commit a wager on anything.

At some stage there may be a more stuctured study on football games inspired by some of the work we have laid down here at Skyscript.

Andrew Bevan wrote: If anyone's got them, it is probably Philip Graves! Unfortunately, the first official bookmaker doesn't appear to have been around before the late 18th century. Apart from that there is the problem of understanding old rules and making them make sense in modern terminology. 10/1 that we are doing a better job here examining the problem than those astrologers who believe they know everything but who are not willing to commit a wager on anything.

At some stage there may be a more stuctured study on football games inspired by some of the work we have laid down here at Skyscript.

Maybe he'll know when it was first mooted Idealist Sky Maps might provide clues about sporting contests.

These days ''most astrologers'' , or the High Brow Western ones, think this type of prediction is a misunderstanding of the Emerald Tablet. But yes the ones who don't can be reluctant to risk their meagre dollars.

A retrospective brainstorming would be a good idea at some point. Lot of work though.

Mario Balotelli, the Italian football who plays as a striker was born on 12 August 1990 9.15 PM in Palermo.
Today, transit Mars is sextile Jupiter and converse transit Jupiter trine Mars and conjunct Desc.
Probably he was born 2 minutes earlier, in Primary directions:
Venus 120 MC
5th cusp 180 Node
Secondary Sun conjunct Jupiter, 3rd cusp 60 Sun, Moon 60 MC
The lunar return, casting for Kiev, has Sun conjunct MC.

Having predicted either Germany or Italy to lift the Cup early on I will stick to it although it looks a very tight match maybe L4 VE sextile UR will help them. True L7 Moon doesn't apply to any aspects but at least its in 10th.

Italy win 1-0 or by penalties.

At 88:00 minutes and 4-0 in favour of Spain, I think that trine from Saturn to POF with a 2 degree orb must have done the trick. I should have put money on it, but I wouldn't have picked such a wide goal margin!

GH

Goca wrote:If Spain wear their home sport kit darkred they are represent with Sa. Italy then will wear white sport kit and is represent with Moon. Frawley suggest when Moon is ruler to keep it for Moon;s aspects and use its dispositor as ruler for that team, here it is Ju in close conjunction with South node. This is strong testimony that Italy will lose.There are no Moon;s aspect within 5 degrees. There are no big difference in dignities. Because Lord of hour is on the brink we can expect draw but at the end Spain will win.

Spain 4:0 Italy!

It proved, a significator conjunct the South Node is greatly weakened.

That is a return of almost ?600,-
Close to ?300 profit, if subtracting the cost of the stategy.

Would have been better if Germany had been in the final, but that is the way things go. Scoring on both Eurovision and Euro2012 in the one and same year is at least something!
Not a Super-size prize this time, but enough to throw a party!

PS. Croatia (my outsider) was in the same group as Spain and Italy.

Congratulations, Andrew! !!!

Johannes

Once again: Congratulations, Andrew! !!!

So it worked, your saying:

Andrew Bevan wrote:"Spain are favourites by odds. And I am not changing my position now. I stand and fall with the astrology. Being wrong is fine as long as something is learnt. It is an important exercise to have a clear mind and stick with you hold. But not always..."

. . . but THIS time!

Johannes

A brief analysis suggests 14 correct predictions and 30 incorrect ones , so as a 'team' effort the result was below chance.

On the plus side, if there is one, Andrew seems to have a 5 from 7 hit rate, so whatever he is doing may be worth a closer look at.