Steller Tiggy said:

THE HORARY'S MC FALLING IN THE HORARY'S 11TH HOUSE.

You should check out some horary tutorials available for novices, I am sure they could help you get acquainted with horary.

Stellar Tiggy, as Paul stated:

So just stick to the convention of whatever house system you've already chosen to use. Most use Regiomontanus because Lilly did it, and if it's good enough for him... but other people use whole and equal and whatever else.

Most of us use Regio, a few use Placidus because so many Ancients did, but Lilly had other oppinions about this matter.

Stellar Tiggy, I'm the first to admit that I Do Not know everything about astrology nor about horary. As Lilly admitted in '..Mr. B's House..' under his fourth house queries, that he as a Taurus Sun had made mistakes in horary, which as you know it's very rare for a Sol in Taurus to admit they made a mistake. That's why there are so few of them in divorce court. So it says quite a bit about Lilly's integrity to admit his error on buying that house.

So if you have any Tututorial courses or books to recomend, I and most of the Forum I'm sure welcome the sources you inspire.

I was Not trying to berate you or any poster on this Forum or any other List. It's just when it comes to discusion I can come on like a train engine coming down the track; my own map you understand.

So Please Stellar Tiggy, share more of these concepts as Paul and Tzadde have evidently studied these other house systems and many of us who are ignorant yet in lust of more astro wisdom are truly 'enquiring minds wanting to know'.

Sources, web sites, and actual flesh and blood authors are appreciated too!

Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men truly know how little they know

Not a problem!

Clinton Soule wrote:Steller Tiggy said:

THE HORARY'S MC FALLING IN THE HORARY'S 11TH HOUSE.

You should check out some horary tutorials available for novices, I am sure they could help you get acquainted with horary.

Stellar Tiggy, as Paul stated:

So just stick to the convention of whatever house system you've already chosen to use. Most use Regiomontanus because Lilly did it, and if it's good enough for him... but other people use whole and equal and whatever else.

Most of us use Regio, a few use Placidus because so many Ancients did, but Lilly had other oppinions about this matter.

Stellar Tiggy, I'm the first to admit that I Do Not know everything about astrology nor about horary. As Lilly admitted in '..Mr. B's House..' under his fourth house queries, that he as a Taurus Sun had made mistakes in horary, which as you know it's very rare for a Sol in Taurus to admit they made a mistake. That's why there are so few of them in divorce court. So it says quite a bit about Lilly's integrity to admit his error on buying that house.

So if you have any Tututorial courses or books to recomend, I and most of the Forum I'm sure welcome the sources you inspire.

I was Not trying to berate you or any poster on this Forum or any other List. It's just when it comes to discusion I can come on like a train engine coming down the track; my own map you understand.

So Please Stellar Tiggy, share more of these concepts as Paul and Tzadde have evidently studied these other house systems and many of us who are ignorant yet in lust of more astro wisdom are truly 'enquiring minds wanting to know'.

Sources, web sites, and actual flesh and blood authors are appreciated too!

Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men truly know how little they know

Wow.

You would use the 10th Whole sign. The mc has connotations of fame rather than Mastery. Notice that in Christian Astrology book 3, and in older Natal Texts, Fame seems somewhat seperate then the mastery, and that the term MC is specifically mentioned when that subject is looked to? Personally I think they are two seperate things. One can have a prominent job but still be obscure and quadrant houses do not show this distinction.

Kenneth Johnson wrote:I am not sure whether whole sign houses were ever used in Western astrology. Chris Brennan has argued that there isn't any genuine horary astrology in the Hellenistic repertoire, so your question can't be answered from that point of view.

There is a lengthy discussion in the introduction to Ben Dykes' translation of Sahl and Masha'allah as to the circumstances under which early Arabic astrologers used whole sign houses and when they used quadrant houses. I don't remember if he discusses Midheaven issues, but if you have access to that book, you might check there.

In prashna or Sanskrit horary astrology, the tenth whole-sign house always indicates career. The precise degree of the MC is never considered in a judgment. They understood the concept of the MC, and called it meshurana, which is based on the Greek, but in all the texts I have examined I have never seen them use the exact MC point as the indicator of career, only the Tenth House.

What about the chart judged by Palchus about the Slave girls Linen? He COULD of used whole signs.

equinox wrote: The mc has connotations of fame rather than Mastery. Notice that in Christian Astrology book 3, and in older Natal Texts, Fame seems somewhat seperate then the mastery, and that the term MC is specifically mentioned when that subject is looked to? Personally I think they are two seperate things. One can have a prominent job but still be obscure and quadrant houses do not show this distinction.

Hello Equinox,

as a side note: in fact, there are people who become famous without any "mastery" (and vice versa, as you wrote) and this can also be seen from the MC separated from the cusp of the 10th house, when using Whole Sign Houses ? in natal astrology.
But I join the others in being curious to know if and by whom WSH were used in Western horary astrology.

Iris