If one goes to astro.com, and uses the Liz Greene type of chart, and goes down to where it say 'chart size' and puts 75% as the horoscope size, using of course as our Mentor Lilly did Regio table of houses, and Does Not enlarge this chart, but copys down the web address, one can put this on the Forum and it will last:

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid= ... fix=1&ast=

My computer forbids me to post the chart as many do or my computer illiteracy leaves me in the dark upon how to do what many have and can do posting the horary maps.

If you click on the webb site above the horoscope of this horary will appear. You can place it on your screen, print it out or send it to an email if you look closely at the web page as listed above.

Talia properly lists for all to see the data as our host has suggested:

April 1, 2012
Lewiston - NY, good ol USofA
6:10 PM

Our adept Tanit has stated:

I would regard Mercury within the 5 degree cusp rule for the 7th house, which would be his 6th ruler in his 1st (this is generally an indication of illness). Mercury is currently conjunct Markab, retrograde and obviously essentially very poor. Mercury tends to represent mental issues. I also don't like Mars in the radical 12th opposite Neptune. I know that it's not aspecting any of the key planets, other than a separating aspect to Jupiter (and an out of sign aspect to Venus) but it's evident in Tiger Woods' chart and I usually think of some sexual perversion when I see a male with Mars peregrine, retro and opposite Neptune (in natal, though - this is horary)! I tend to look at the outer planets a bit more than most, however.

As that dear fleeting Mercury is running backwards presently and about to station(mental glithes in communication), I understand from the above that our querant is indeed the poster and horary artist; even if she has not officialy posted it in the first post on this thread and it's still a little vague to me.

So, if the 7th is the querant's suitor or boy friend, his 8th is the horary's 2nd, the derived house of the matter ruled by Venus cjt Argol('off with his head') as Traditionalists would vehelmently stand upon.

Having Not looked at the ephemeris to see if Luna will perfect the squ to Anthrodite before she(Venus) goes into Gemini, I'd say based upon the general rule or the typical rule of the first aspect to the Lord of the matter gives the verdict about 85% of the time that No, the suitor or boy friend is Not a sex addict!

Yet Term, Face, Dignitys, etc., have to be taken into account. And with a Mercury Rx one has to look very closely at the overall map.

Unless of course if I am wrong about the 8th(sexual intercourse and oral) being the house of the matter. And I do stand to be corrected by any of my horary elders who truly know in Traditionalism on this or any concept in horary!

Note: Carol's observation of the 12th house involved, how Mars(lord of sexuality) is cjt by Lilly's Five Degree Rule on the 12th house cusp and in the 12H, Rx, yet unaspected!

Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men truly know how little they know

Clinton, Thank you for your helpful answer! I've been away buying a new computer. I had to wait until Mer went direct. I didn't imagine the answer to be no. The reason being I took Su for his rad L5 (sex). I have to consider your 8 house theory makin a strong case. What do you think of 5? Strong Su would be in Aris and his L1.

Talia,

I think you need to re-read my comments about the 5th house is courtship, romance, affairs, etc., but Not nessasarily penetration nor oral as that's the 8th; that's what many Moderns say.

But I'm basing this on Anthony Louis's first book of which he has since admitted he was a Modern at the time and has since studied more Traditionalism.

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid= ... fix=1&ast=

In Lilly's time remember as with many writters in Europe since the Church became influential, Lilly was under Church scrunity just as the Islamic horary artists are under the Preisthood's influences of the Koran.

If you read the early part of CA you understand Lilly is defending his positions within the 9th house order of his time.

So, as I was re-reading Lilly today on the 7th house matters, I think you are truly asking if he will have other sexual partners outside or marriage, co-habitation boundarys, or the aggreement that you two specify as your commitment?

CA pp. 312-316. (Lilly is speaking of infidelity or sexual loyalty)

That is Jupiter as lord of the 7th, Pisces, and Jupiter will recieve a squ from Luna that says generally 85% of the time, No he is not a sex addict! Look at Lilly under questions concerning the 7th house where he talks about wives being faithful, which is about sexual fidelity I'm sure!

Of course just as Lilly with his Point System varibles like Term, Face, dignitys, etc. have to be consulted.

You might Not have got that many responses because what is a sex addict in actualty and by who's definition?

Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men truly know how little they know

A client once asked me a horary question regarding job. His significator was in 5th house and was almost stationary conjunct Mars and Venus (L5). I told him that the was suffering from sexual fatigue (L1 almost stationary in 5th) as a result of 'Sex addiction'. In my opinion 5th house in one way or the other is relevant in sexual addiction.

Another thing of importance is to determine the 'Sexual Addiction'. Is it physical interest in the act with satisfying a partner or just a person who gropes and makes life hell for every body.

People have different levels of appetite. Some people are above average and some are average/below average. A clear and agreed definition of sexual addiction from an astrological point of view. It is also imperative to separate it from people who brag a lot about their conquests (Cassanova)

Good morning,

May one mention that, according to the Astro Databank, the Rodden rating of Signor Giacomo Casanova's birth time is 'DD' which means 'conflicting, unverified'? Astrological analyses based thereon might well be conjectural and speculative.

An underlying question is which astrological 'house', if any, (the application of which depends on the house system selected - amongst 20 or so to choose from in many computer astrology programmes) is most indicative of sexual behaviour. As we can read in Ms Deborah Houlding's paper on topical place divisions elsewhere at this site, the noted Hellenistic astrologer Klaudios Ptolomaios practically did not use 'houses'.

Senator Julius Firmicus Maternus as well as several Mediaeval astrologers like Masha'Allah (see ex. gr. 'Persian Nativities, Volume I', pages 134 and following, translation by Dr. B. Dykes) list sexual behaviour as a seventh rather than a fifth place topic.

Best regards,

lihin

lihin wrote:
Senator Julius Firmicus Maternus as well as several Mediaeval astrologers like Masha'Allah (see ex. gr. 'Persian Nativities, Volume I', pages 134 and following, translation by Dr. B. Dykes) list sexual behaviour as a seventh rather than a fifth place topic.

If having sex with someone is a 7th house relationship activity, how shall we describe having a game of tennis with someone?

If an activity is indulged in for joy, pleasure and delight and also for procreation, how does it end up in the 7th house?

Geoffrey

Good afternoon,

As mentioned occasionally, there is often no consensus on the number and meanings of basic astrological symbols, not only from one period and culture to the next, but also within the same culture and period. The existence, number, boundaries and basic delineations of the topical places (houses) are salient examples of such essential differences.

In my humble experience there is no easy way towards 'astrological salvation'. Open-mindedness, diligence and perseverance are required to assess to what extent, if any, the various authors have been coherent within their own 'systems'. Then one tests the coherent sets of symbols and their definitions on sufficiently large randomly selected samples with reliable event times.

Most Hellenistic and Mediaeval astrologers who applied twelve-place, counter-clockwise systems of topical places (houses) often differed in their basic delineations from many contemporary authors concerning the meanings of the fifth, seventh, eighth and others, in particular about the assignment of sexual behaviour to a place or places, the subject of this thread.

There are also some differences concerning the 'natural significators' involved.

Best regards,

lihin

So the sexual activity is 5th house or 7th house...

I hope its not difficult to verify from the actual experience...

In my experience its 5th house in Horary....
In Natal it gets interesting...

Afflicted Sun...(ability to challenge established authority)
Mars Jupiter opposition...(ability to challenge norms)
Mars (either too strong or too weak)...
7th house weak (inability to form or sustain long term relationships)...
5th house prominent in progressions and Transits
Node in 5th or 7th house...

Triggered by Progressions and Transits...

Plus a lot of spare time...a position of authority

Good afternoon,

For a useful but brief overview of the meanings that have historically been assigned to topical places, but excluding Indian astrology (why? it is, like Hellenistic, horoscopic), during various periods, see Ms Deborah Houlding's book The Houses Temples of the Sky.

In my humble opinion, India is traditionally not really astrologically separate from more Western lands. There has been a long documented astrological interchange between India and these, ex. gr. Abu'l Rayhan Muhammad ibn Ahmad Al-Biruni who lived several years in India, learned Sanskrit and reported several Indian astrological methods in his The Book of Instruction in the Elements of the Art of Astrology. The astrological cultural borders are mainly between India and lands permeated with Chinese civilisation on the one hand and between Europe and pre-colonial Central America on the other.

The differences between traditional Indian and Hellenistic astrologies compared to modern Western astrology are, methinks, fewer and less important than those between the latter and both of the former. Due to its pervasive permeation by Abrahamic monotheistic theologies in contrast to both Indian and Hellenistic astrologies, Mediaeval astrology has a distinctly different cultural 'flavour'. See for example the thread on the 3rd 'House of the Goddess'. However, Mediaeval astrology developed horary techniques more than any other period.

Best regards,

lihin