Hello dear poster and contributers!

I really do not understand what is going on here. This is the correct thread MorningSun has chosen, in my opinion.

In the Gerneral Astrology thread nobody would be interested in ancient techniques or otherwise would be complimented out.

If data are needed, why not asking the poster? To nominate a technique or a poster (indirectly) "foolish" is remarkable, trying to stay polite. To ask for consent to judge the chart in old techniques is perhaps a bit too polite?

To see more of the judgements or MorningSun and Konrad and that of lihin to come (and those of many others of course) would be not only interesting for me but for many others too, I am sure.

So, may I hope the best?

Johannes

My text should have been posted directly after the latest one of lihin.

Now I see, that the thread seems to live! Thank you!

Johannes

Konrad thank you so much for your feedback it is invaluable, Astrology is such a life long study. I would never presume to know it all!! Different perspectives are so helpful in broadening and widening my knowledge. Thank you so very much!

My comment regarding Mars, was her Progressed Mars has just moved out of Cancer into Leo, a much cleaner energy, more powerful, mind you, but cleaner.

I had not heard from the native for about a year and a half. As I mentioned I recently heard from her regarding the Career, as you can see Progressed Saturn in Cancer, is causing much problems there, really mean bosses, a sense of restriction working from home, etc, all which I warned quite a few years ago.

In this recent contact she told me about the doctor telling her about the heart attack about 1 1/2 yrs ago, and that the second opinion doctor said it showed up on the EKG as a heart attack due to the extra electrical circuit in her heart. (she has always had that since birth), but erratically active after all the Financial and Career stresses experienced during the 2 1/2 yrs Transiting Saturn in her 2nd hse of income as well as the Prog.MC changing signs, and now the MC progressed to Conjunct Prog. Saturn very intense now. I do not know the exact date of the heart attack, but I will try to find out.

Anyway that is the background. First time I heard of the heart attack issues this recent contact, which she said led to over obsessing about her dying young. Very real fears she could not get out of her mind. Which the (in modern Ast.) the Opposition from Uranus in Aries in the 8th to her Prog. Asc conjunct Prog. & Natal Pluto as well as the Natal aspect of Moon/Pluto conjunction, etc and many other indicators as you can see. It was the obsessing of dying I was surprised.

As you can imagine as her Astrologer, I did not even see that 1 year and a 1/2 ago as I was asked about her Finances/Career, and I didn't even clue up to the health issue, which I might add I feel ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE about. I can't tell you how bad I feel about that. I should have councelled and warned her to take care of her health, not to worry that as all things this too shall pass, as it always does, but I knew it would be a while yet. She is looking to change careers and is not sure what to get into.

Missing this obsessing of dying, I totally missed which is why I turned to this Community for your confirmation of the protection I see in her chart, which I mention in a previous thread. I truly appreciate that.

This is one client where the events in her life, is almost textbook, events according to planetary movements, its really unbelievable, this chart must be right on the exact time. The events in this natives life happend like clockwork according to her chart, it never ceases to amaze me!

Anyway, back to your question, I will try to find out the exact time.
Thank you again, so very much from the bottom of my heart! I still feel bad about missing that!

The First Chart is a stand alone Progressed Chart for Nov. 24, 2012

Second Chart is the TriWheel, Natal Chart inner, Progressed, then Transit, third ring. Also for Nov 24, 2012

Konrad, I have been studying your assessment. It is very good. I will also keep your observations of the Mars squaring the Moon, as well as when Mars rules the Primary directed Moon of bodily harm to the native.

Also I did find out the time of the "Heart Attack", it was Feb/March 2011. Brought on by Panic Attack, due to many major financial problems.

When I asked about the above date, I realized what James had commented regarding intensity of emotions, not of a sexual nature as he first suggested, but the Progressed Angles of this chart (using a Secondary Progression ) squaring with very heavy aspects) Prog. Saturn squaring the natal Moon/Pluto conjunction brought extreme intensity of worry and so many major problems, which are not quite over yet, as you can see by the chart.

Well the principles should be fine but the description I gave for the Revolution was from May 2011 - May 2012. I notice the profection lands on the ASC which would be Leo. Valens does say when the profection falls into its natal place, then if there is a planet in the next sign, use that as the profected lord. This would still activate the Moon but being honest, I haven't come across any other charts where Valens' rule would hold. I will look into it.

I notice too that the profected ASC being moved as Umar advises (30 degrees a year) is at around 3 - 5 Virgo at the time of the heart attack. I will look more into this tomorrow though as at first glance, I'm not seeing huge amounts of ill-health in the chart, certainly not on the magnitude of a heart-attack.

http://s10.postimage.org/w5oh13fqh/morningsun.jpg

not sure if you can see this, but this is a chart for the minor progressions for the beginning of feb 2011, an approx time for her health issue - heart attack.. the heart is connected to the sun, and the 6th/12th axis of a chart can sometimes point to health issues. in this example the rulers of the 6th/12th axis are involved in a t square that refer back directly to her natal sun at 11 taurus. the transits for early feb 2011 emphasize a new moon at about 13 aquarius close to this t square in the minor progressed chart, and her natal sun position, while t neptune/chiron square onto the midheaven directly.. as i have said before - hindsight is 20/20 and i doubt if many or anyone would be able to offer a prediction of something like this beforehand, but it is educational to look back to try to understand what techniques seem to capture an event so as to cultivate a better understanding of those same techniques.

here is what it looks like on a 90 degree wheel with the natal on the inside and the mp's on the outside.
http://s14.postimage.org/ogqfvly9t/morningsun2.jpg

I couldn't resist, the chores can wait!

If I follow my earlier thought of the Moon taking up from the ASC since she is in the next sign, we have the Moon in partile opposition to natal Mars at the time of the revolution while Saturn is in partile conjunction with natal Moon. Mars in debility squares the revolution ASC and the Sun, again within 3 degrees while being out-of-sect both times. So there is potential there for some ill-health. Perhaps the proximity of the malefic influences is how we could say this would be as serious in advance (as well as the broader techniques highlighting the Mars/Saturn overcoming of the natal Moon and the Moon being in harmful bounds by primary direction).

I was shown this technique by another astrologer which has been proven in my own chart in the two examples I mentioned previously. From the 24th of Feb 2011, Mars, by transit, is conjoined transiting Sun in Aquarius without the asepct of either transiting Venus or Jupiter. This lasts until mid March. So we have the ruler of the profected ASC without the aid of the benefics for this time while being afflicted by a malefic (as is the profected ASC Leo and this actually lasts until the 22nd). It seems instances like this will trigger the events of ill-health communicated in the broader timing techniques/annual techniques.

Hello James and Konrad,

Your help with this native has been GREATLY appreciated!! Clarity, different perspectives and opinons add a GREAT deal. After so many years with a client one gets a bit too close to it, as I am with this one. I cannot thank you enough for all your great help and effort in helping me dissect this chart at this time. I am truly grateful!!!! Thanks so much for all your hard work, I cannot thank you enough! My Very Best Regards and Thanks!