I don't know about you guys, but I get alot of predictions accurate. Just today, my friend, whom I told several weeks ago she would receive a very nice surprise from her sibling. she called me today, she received a 55 inch LCD 3D TV from her brother delivered to her house!! I love that!! that is soooo Awesome I love getting it right! Date was only 2 days off but her bro said it was late and she should have got it sooner!

I have many examples accurate predictions! I am not a big fan of Noel Tyle at all either.

morning sun,

that is nice. kudos! i don't do astro for a living, but i do make predictions for family and friends if i think it will help.. my family can attest to my abilities and i have a few friends that phone and ask as well who can also attest to my having a talent for something to do with astrology..

i am ambivalent about whether astrology gets accepted in a broader level or not.. i feel the same way about good music.. of course music will always be around as will astrology.. i think cultures and people wax and wane in their ability to appreciate the many beautiful things in life, music and astrology being 2 that are close to my heart. do i care? on some level i do as i think the world could benefit from more of both. but on another level i think it is good to let the world take its time recognizing the benefits of both and not be too concerned about the fate of either... life will be what it will be and all the effort to change others perceptions is mostly a waste of time as i see it..

James,

I wholeheartedly agree!! I Dont make astrology my life, and I have difficulty reading for myself, but it is amazing and works!! I always look for the good and sometimes I miss the bad aspects as I am totally focused on giving them good news!!! Or positive anyway. About the music, couldn't live without it, makes my spirit soar!!

james_m wrote:
personally i find noel tyls astrology a bore and not all that great, but since he churns out students like robots that say how great he is, we have to live with it regardless..

Tyl's astrology is based on a psychology that has long passed it relevance, and I can say this as a retired psychological counseling professional. In my brother's words..."it can help you get your ShEET all together in one pile, but then you have no idea what to do with it".

But its really based also on need theory, and as such it develops an understanding psychological needs. Whether those needs ever manifest themselves as events is apparantly something the Tyl is not concerned with.

And of course, to get through Tyl's course, all you have to do is parrot exactly what he says. He brooks no deviation. Those with total recall are the most gifted in his program.

I used to be a personal friend of Mr. Tyl, but then I deviated a bit from his standard line and got cut off. I still find his volumes interesting, though often not valid, and most certainly not valid for prediction of events.

I still love his prediction, in PREDICTIONS FOR A NEW MILLENIUM, that the Aliens would be landing by 2010. he told me later that his publishers needed something spectacular.

But if you stick to needs, and psyho-analytic stuff, Noel can be quite accurate. And if you have a strong Sun in your natal chart, solar Arc directions can even work for you.

MorningSun wrote:I don't know about you guys, but I get alot of predictions accurate. Just today, my friend, whom I told several weeks ago she would receive a very nice surprise from her sibling. she called me today, she received a 55 inch LCD 3D TV from her brother delivered to her house!! I love that!! that is soooo Awesome I love getting it right! Date was only 2 days off but her bro said it was late and she should have got it sooner!

I have many examples accurate predictions! I am not a big fan of Noel Tyle at all either.

So basically then you ruined your friend's surprise gift of a TV from her sibling and process this guilt by adding an e on to Noel's surname.

Nixx wrote:So basically then you ruined your friend's surprise gift of a TV from her sibling and process this guilt by adding an e on to Noel's surname.

I sense a bit of "sour grapes there" Really??

No I did not ruin the surprise, I happened to throw the unexpected surprise I saw she would receive, while providing job info severel weeks ago in an email. She had forgotten about it. I happened to be visiting her today and arrived at the same time FEDX came. A bit of synchronicity I think. It was an UNEXPECTED surprise. I happened to remember about the surprise I saw in her chart, and the email I sent her!! It was a lovely surprise, I was as excited as she was!!

No guilt there!, nor with Noel Tyl. Bought his book years ago, didn't think much of it then and still don't, even less after I spoke with him.

MorningSun wrote:

No I did not ruin the surprise, I happened to throw the unexpected surprise I saw she would receive, while providing job info severel weeks ago in an email. She had forgotten about it. I happened to be visiting her today and arrived at the same time FEDX came. A bit of synchronicity I think. It was an UNEXPECTED surprise. I happened to remember about the surprise I saw in her chart, and the email I sent her!! It was a lovely surprise, I was as excited as she was!!

I might, in fact I will, predict many people might be as, if not more, surprised to see the promise of a surprise in a Horoscope. Is this the legendary Uranus progression over the 13th degree of the 2nd house, let's hope so or we will be facing yet another paradigm shift.

Did you stick the TV on and bump into a drama about Jung's marriage experiment. if so let's talk more!!

Zarathu wrote:
But if you stick to needs, and psyho-analytic stuff, Noel can be quite accurate. And if you have a strong Sun in your natal chart, solar Arc directions can even work for you.

well, we're all entitled to an opinion. it is not like tyl invented solar arc directions. i don't think they have anything to do with him other then that he wrote a book on them.

to quote one of the folks from the makers of the program solar fire "Solar arc direction is one of the oldest predictive techniques in astrology."
http://www.alabe.com/solararc.html

i actually think they work much better then secondary progressions myself, but then i am combining them with other techniques and don't treat them or anything other then maybe transits as a stand alone technique for getting a quick idea of what is going on in connection with an astro chart. i don't think it matters whether one has a 'strong' or weak sun as you imply.

when i started doing astrology back in the 70's transits and secondary progressions was mostly all that was talked about or discussed. fortunately i found out about other techniques, including solar arc directions and have found them equally or more relevant then sec progs, but perhaps others have a different experience which is fine too.

one of the things i know is not everyone works with a 90 degree wheel, or bothers with the hard aspects 45 and 135 which are a part of some schools of thought. i remember reading bernadette bradys book the eagle and the lark a long time ago and being annoyed at the fact some of the examples in her book were not treated very well over this very fact of her ignoring these aspects. so you see, it really isn't about solar arc directions so much as it is all the other techniques that an astrologer may, or may not be using in combination with this or any other technique. ultimately one uses what works for them and questions what doesn't while keeping an eye on how it might all be different with the addition or not of another auxiliary technique like working with a 90 degree wheel, midpoints or any number of astro techniques one could consider.

james_m wrote: to quote one of the folks from the makers of the program solar fire "Solar arc direction is one of the oldest predictive techniques in astrology."
http://www.alabe.com/solararc.html

They really aren't though, solar arcs are actually comparatively new compared to other predictive methods. Unless there's some older source I'm not aware of that is.

ultimately one uses what works for them and questions what doesn't

I agree. There are many techniques in astrology that one can use. There are some I've not found much use for, and others I've found a lot of use for.

hi paul,

i am not sure anyone clearly knows the history on the idea of directing a chart approx 1 degree per year - based off the solar arc movement for one day. my main thought was to dispel any idea that noel tyl invented them, or anything as crazy as that..

solar arc directions are an interesting concept that will drive some folks bonkers as they are somewhat static and leave the chart relationships in place. i wouldn't say this is based on some special obsession that more modern astrologers have for aspect relationships, but i note someone discussing this very idea in a thread here on skyscript from a few years ago.

ebertin was using them long before tyl got round to them as i understand it.. where ebertin was introduced to them, i know not.. when i use them in collaboration with other obscure techniques like use of a 90 degree wheel and midpoints, i find them often very relevant. take for example the chart that morning sun provided on another thread here with the lady caught up in thoughts on death. to me death can be captured in a few symbols, but one that i relate to is the non planet pluto as having some affinity with this theme. if you look at the solar arc directions for the chart morning sun provides, you will note the opposition from pluto to her natal sun for this particular year and time frame.. now maybe it is a coincidence, and i wouldn't base everything on a close solar arc direction like this, but it does provide additional support for morning suns concern for her client. one will note the info in the secondary prog data as well.. i have yet to run the same chart using primary directions to see what shows up.. actually the minor progressions seemed to work the best on that particular chart.. people have to try these ideas out for themselves and discover what works or not for themselves.. knowing the history is all fun and good, but i am more into the astrology then i am into the history..

Nixx wrote:

Mark a moddy here is a big fan of Noel, his favourite book is the 1,000,000 25th century predictions which were never going to happen if your cerebral cortex was intact and you had a rudmentary grasp of Platonic Horoscopics. Personally I regard the seemingly quite widespread consensus Noel is the world's premier astrological numpty as a little harsh. He clearly has a fan in your good self. That makes 2 at least, which is twice as many as 1. Uncanny if you ask me.

You have misrepresented what I said here. If you want to distort facts for your whimsical entertainment please dont bring my name into it.

Mark

Solar arcs are certainly not one of the oldest predictive systems. However, they have been around longer than many realise. Simmonite (1890) certainly advocated them. Moreover, Johannes Kepler seems to have used a predictive system that sounds very like solar arcs. This topic came up for discussion in an old thread here:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

Mark