Good evening,

Referring to a mundane technique explained in a parallel thread, the current 'horizontal fixed star' at the latitude 41n25' of Newtown, CN, USA, is the bright (apparent magnitude 1.84) Alkaid, Eta Ursae Majoris, declination 49n20'. According to Claudius Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos, Book I, it has the quality of Mars.

In the Wikipedia article on Alkaid one reads:

The name derives from the Arabic phrase meaning "The leader of the daughters of the bier" (???? ???? ??? q?'id bin?t na?sh). The daughters of the bier, i.e. the mourning maidens, are the three stars of the handle of the Big Dipper, Alkaid, Mizar, and Alioth; while the four stars of the bowl, Megrez, Phecda, Merak, and Dubhe, are the bier.

Best regards,

lihin

I watched the events unfold as it happened all day yesterday, this is so horrendous, and so very, very sad, I just cannot fathom it. My heart is so broken for the parents and my prayers go out to all of them.

Lihibn,

You asked where ADAM LANZA, was born, I copied and pasted below from the CNN article at this website:


http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/justice/c ... index.html


"A booklet for Newtown's Bennetts Farm neighborhood indicated that Adam Lanza moved to Connecticut from Kingston, New Hampshire, with his parents and older brother Ryan. He enjoyed soccer, skateboarding and video games, the booklet said."

It doesn't say exactly where he was born, but I am assuming it would be in Kingston, New Hampshire, where they lived prior to moving to CT.

hi bob,

the eclipse data would apply to a very large area of the northeast usa and canada.. one can do the same for montreal and get an almost exact tie in with the mars/pluto on the ascendant for example.. how relevant is this to the event in newtown? i don't actually know, but i think it is worth pointing out the wide area this would include with many people living in this same area.. the data is also essentially the same for nyc.. thanks for sharing...

lihin wrote: the 'Pluto-happy' approach of much late 20th century astrology now looks anachronistic. Its astronomical paradigm has died. To appear coherent, it seems one should include all the Dwarf Planets or none in astrological analyses of events such as the one featured in this thread. If one prefers to include some and exclude other Dwarf Planets, according to which criteria?

lihin

lihin, your choice of the word anachronistic in relation to using pluto while you post charts in square format is really quite funny!!! you are either one funny guy, or you have a thing whereby it is cool for you to post 'anachronistic' stuff on a regular basis, but have a problem when others share data that you don't jive with.. i am reminded of the motto 'live and let live'.. some folks myself included find much value including pluto in charts.. if you don't - that's fine... i think your rationalizing the use of pluto as anachronistic is a not very subtle attempt at demeaning the value others see in using pluto in a chart..

A Vedic Astrologer told me the following:

: The Tropical Lunar Ingressof Capricorn yesterday became Newtown CT this >morning.
This is the event youre referring to: 27 people, mostly children, were killed in a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Friday morning.

The exact timeof the first 911 call was 9:41. Today's paper said the gunman entered the school at 9:40.

Also in the news yesterday: In China: A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a seriesof attacks on schoolchildren in the country. The man attacked the children at the gateof a school in Chenpeng village in Henan province, the Xinhua news agency reported. Police arrested a 36-year-old man, identified as villager Min Yingjun, Xinhua said. It did not give further detailsof the extentof the injuries.

--- So let's play the ayanamsa game, and I set up the tropical lunar Capricorn ingress chart. For some reason I don't understand Fagan school astrologers place emphasis on this monthly chart as opposed to the other 11 ingresses each month.

But D*S has set up the tropical chart, not the Fagan-Bradley sidereal chart. I don't see anything especially noteworthy about this tropical chart which has an ascendant of about 28 Gemini. It's true that the Moon is on the descendent.

The Sun is under the horizon by 5 degrees, and Pluto is 9 degrees from the Moon. Neptune is on the M.C. If anyone wants to set up this tropical chart the time is 4:42:26 pm on December 13. I didn't set up the Fagan-Bradley chart, but I did set up the Krishnamurti Capricorn ingress chart, and this chart is very revealing, much more so than the tropical ingress chart in my opinion.

The time for this chart is November 17 at 8:56:07 pm in Newtown. Six degrees of Cancer rises in this chart, and what is notable is that there is a perfect yod to the ascendant from Neptune at 6 Aqu 36 in the 8th and Mars at 6 Sag 47 in the 6th. The malefic Mer/Rahu/Sun combination in Scorpio is near the (equal) cusp of 5th (and dispositor Mars in with Pluto in the 6th....Mars making the yod aspect to the ascendant.) Then I set up the previous solar ingress which was Scorpio. The same 6 degrees shows up on the ascendant at 6 Tau 20 with Neptune at the zenith at 6 Aqu 25. Marsis with the Moon on the 8th (equal) cusp, and Saturn is near the 6th cusp. Another yod to the ascendant.

Ketu (south node)is on the ascendant. The nodes always show up in events that affect large numbers of people, and this event has shocked the nation.

The Krishnamurti Scorpio ingress is November 15 at 4:48:21 p.m. This chart has Mer/N node/Sun just beneath the7th cusp.

Note in the Krishnamurti Scorpio ingress chart that 5th lord Mercury (D*S wanted Mercury in the equation...)is on cusp 7 in Scorpio with Rahu (N node) and the Sun. With Ketu on the ascendant this is a very dire picture since dispositor Mars is on the 8th cusp (death). So we have a Mars ruled stellium, Sun-Rahu-Mercury disposited by an 8th cusp Mars. Neptune in Aquarius (the sign of the victim)is square Mercury/Rahu and the ascendant by only 5 MINUTES. Rahu/Ketu always come into the picture for events that affect the mass consciousness. (Such as major earthquakes and acts of violence.) Ketu (S node) on the ascendant of the Krishnamurti Scorpio ingress is in the degree of Algol. So Asc/Ketu are the focus of a yod from Mars on cusp 8 and Saturn on cusp 6.

I don't know why astrologers are looking all over the place for the explanation of the shooting when for this event the Moon is sandwiched between Mars and Pluto above the horizon with an exact sextile from Saturn to Pluto. The sun is in the final degree of Scorpio on the 12th (equal) cusp. For an example of how cusp lords work, the Sun in this event chartis rulerof the 8th (Leo). Sunis in the 12th, and dispositor Marsis on the ascendant. The nodes are conjunct the MC/IC so we know that this event will affect large numbers of people.

For the shooting event itself Mars is the most angular planet at 27 Sag above a 5 Cap 26 ascendant. So the Mars affliction to the ascendant in both ingress charts shows up in the event as Mars just above the horizon. But note also that the Ascendant of the event chart, which would have crossed 6 degrees during the prolonged shooting repeats the 6 degree ascendant on both the Krishnamurti Cap lunar ingress chart and the Scorpio ingress chart. Capricorn is opposite the lunar ingress Cancer Asc and trine the solar ingress Taurus ascendant. This is not an accident, as

I've seen this type of repeat degree in ingress/event charts for earthquakes. This is one reason I use the Krishnamurti ayanamsa. Since the shooting belongs to Mars, we look further at the condition of Mars itself in the ingress charts. In the Scorpio ingress chart Mars is a a few minutes from Acumen in the stingof the Scorpion. The ascendant itself is in the Pleiades. In the Capricorn lunar ingress chart Mars is with Sinistra in Ophiuchus, the hand that holds the tail of Serpens and Spiculum (Latin for the point of an arrow or similar weapon) on the cusp of 6th. This star is said to be a figure of great foreboding and of the energy of Mars-Moon. The 6 degree Taurus ascendant in the solar ingress chart is in the Pleiades.

Sure, in retrospect we can see all this symbolism, but who would have thought to set up ingress charts for a small town in Connecticut? Perhaps the lord of an ingress (here Mars for Scorpio) might give us some clue as to events to expect somewhere in the world during the following month.

This shooting and the ingress charts are a perfect illustration of how signs and house lords are used by sidereal astrologers who have embraced India's sidereal zodiac. Of course the Fagan school doesn't generally use these techniques, but I have tested them over many years.

Hello Damon,

I'm sorry but I had to delete that link to the charts you provided as it was distorting the size of the whole thread. The link appeared to be dead anyway.

On a purely stylistic point I have taken the liberty of breaking up the text in your post into some paragraphs as your post appeared as a single block of text. Very hard for people to read.

Hope thats ok

Mark

Damon wrote:

I don't see anything especially noteworthy about this tropical chart which has an ascendant of about 28 Gemini. It's true that the Moon is on the descendent.

I am not generally planning to get involved in this thread at present due to lack of time. We have had plenty of good contributions here.

However, your comment above struck me. 28 Gemini is the degree of the Moon at the time of the Twin Towers attack on September 11th 2001. This degree in the tropical zodiac is currently connected with the fixed star Betelgeuse in the constellation of Orion.

Bernadette Brady claims this is a purely benefic fixed star but she is totally out of step with all other astrological authorities on this.

According to Ptolemy it is of the nature of Mars and Mercury.

Ptolemy recorded the influence of the bright stars in Orion as like Jupiter and Saturn, with the exception of the stars in the shoulder (Betelgeuze, Bellatrix), which he noted to be of the nature of Mars and Mercury. This is in keeping with Betelgeuze's ruddy colour which has been proposed as the foundation of its stormy and generally unpredictable reputation, and portrays a planetary nature as relevant to the carnage of war as the military honours, strategic planning, engineering and sharp wit. Star Lore of The Constellations, Orion the Hunter, by Deborah Houlding. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/orion.html

''War and carnage are presaged by Betelgeuse.'' [Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.45.]

....On the Ascendant and in conjunction with Mars there will be danger of death by lightning, fire, explosions, firearms or similar things. Elsbeth Ebertin recorded that in June and July of 1927, when the Lunar Node was in conjunction with this fixed star, that groups of people died by lightning or were victims of explosions or assassination. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.37.]

In ancient astrology the stars of Orion were associated with stormy weather.

In modern astronomy we know Betelgeuse is a red giant star that is a variable in magnitude. Betelgeuse is very unstable and is approaching the end of its life as a red giant and so is expected to go supernova fairly soon in terms of astronomical time scales.

http://io9.com/5738542/earth-may-soon-have-a-second-sun

Mark

Mark wrote:Hello Damon,

I'm sorry but I had to delete that link to the charts you provided as it was distorting the size of the whole thread. The link appeared to be dead anyway.

On a purely stylistic point I have taken the liberty of breaking up the text in your post into some paragraphs as your post appeared as a single block of text. Very hard for people to read.

Hope thats ok

Mark

No problem. Interesting comments about Betelgeuse

james_m wrote:hi bob,

the eclipse data would apply to a very large area of the northeast usa and canada.. one can do the same for montreal and get an almost exact tie in with the mars/pluto on the ascendant for example.. how relevant is this to the event in newtown? i don't actually know, but i think it is worth pointing out the wide area this would include with many people living in this same area.. the data is also essentially the same for nyc.. thanks for sharing...

Hi James,

Progressing the eclipse chart to the event in Newtown by the quotidian method using the right ascension of the eclipse and transiting Sun's yields an MC at 233?33' with eclipse Mars-Neptune midpoint (could be connected with terror, confusing expression of anger) on the progressed Asc at 233?16'. In Montreal it misses by almost 3 degrees, a difference of 3 days. My charts were offered as comment on events at that particular place at or near a particular time there.

The point is it fits for the events at the time and location of their occurrence. Even identical or nearly identical charts will not produce the same results for those who possess them as can be seen in the charts of siblings in multiple births. Siblings having such charts do not all die at the same time.

Bob

hi bob,

i only mentioned montreal as an example of it being a distance from the event and having the mars/pluto conjunction directly on the ascendant for the time of the eclipse, closer then the 13 degrees rising for newtown ct.. i went back and re-read your post. you highlight the transiting mars/pluto midpoint on this 13 degree cap rising in the eclipse chart.

i am not completely on top of what you are doing with the charts.. first off, why are the transiting angles missing from the outer wheel in the first chart?
2nd - what is your reason for offering astro info with 360 degree positions?
"Saturn on the MC at 216?25'"
perhaps i am missing something here, but is 216?25 the same as 6 scorpio 25, or does it refer to something else? the mc is at 8 scorpio 27 in the same chart you provide.. part of my reason for asking is i noticed you mentioning right ascension which is a bit of a tip off you might be looking at these positions in right ascension as opposed to on the zodiac degree.. is that correct?

also, you appear to be working with a program similar to solar fire.. i seem to remember exploring this quotidian method before, but am not seeing it on solar fire.. i know i have read up on this, but can't remember when or what i retained on it.. a few minutes later - i see that i have it as an option for how i want to progress the data 'chart angle progression'..

i am confused by your approach and wanting to understand it better..

astrologers are great at finding all sorts of coincidences to charts, myself included, but it is mostly all thru hindsight.. i think i asked you this before and you answered in the affirmative - have you been able to use any of this in some practical manner? can you give an example?

Some remarks to the event by looking to the belonging Ingress(es) and Eclipses.


There are some possibilities to look for events in future (also retrospective..)

Start with Ingress (Capricorn / Aries) for overlook the year.
The Old did use before Ingress Capricorn, by "new style" it starts with Ingress Aries. A rule say it will be depending on the rising sign (fix, common, cardinal) if this Ingress valid for the hole year or you need to use another Ingress horoscope too. Some say to use always the monthly Ingress. I would agree.
I think to start the year with Sun in Aries or in Capricorn makes no difference at all.
Preliminary remark: AS of he Ingress Capricorn (2011) is Libra. Old rule say this Horoscope is valid for only three month.(Cardinal sign) So the Libra Ingress is important for the event!
AS of the Ingress Aries (2012) is Sagittarius.(common sign) Old rule say this horoscope is valid only for a half year. Also Libra Ingress is here important!

All Angels or house-scups which will be described, are calculated by the method of placidus and for the place of the event which is Newtown CT.

I did made the Ingress Capricorn, Aries, also Libra, and Sagittarius.
I used also the Eclipse from 13. Nov 2012 and the Lunar eclipse from 14. Dec. 2012, also as be shown before, in this thread, the Transit, or better named, the event itself. (But with time 9:30 as in all newspapers!)


1.) Look to Ingress Capricorn 2011

Sun and Pluto are in end of 3 H(ouse) close to IC. Meaning of 3.H Schools,children, teachers.... (see also Rex Bills "Rulership Book")

Uranus square Sun in 6H
Theme in this Ingress: Happiness or sorrow in public - connected to 3H themes....

2.) Look to Ingress Aries 2012

Sun; Moon and Neptune in konj. to her, in 3h and Uranus with Mercury at IC! Only with the simple symbolic of the planets an her position in house the theme is recognizable.

3.) Look to Ingress Libra
Sun on cusp 11H in opp to Uranus in 5H. Mars next to AS (17 Skor) at 19? Skor 49'. and this is on the same place a Mercury in the Lunar-eclipse.
Neptune on cusp of 4H (IC)

4. Sun Ingress to Sagittarius 2012
Full 6H with Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Venus.
Mars (3?) on cusp of 8H (0?Capricorn) in konj. with Pluto.
Mars (Pluto) square to Saturn in 11H.

Event Chart

Mars in 12 with Moon in konj. Pluto.
12H is also meaning for crime. Pluto and/or Mars in 12 means murder, with moon = young children.

MC is at the same place as Mars in Libra Ingress.
AS is at the same Place of Saturn in Capricorn Ingress 2011.
etc.

This is a "simplified" look "behind" this terrible Event.

See this report as a knowingly incomplete shortcut.

http://screencast.com/t/wSQbiD0A7B