lihin wrote:Good morning,

Preface: am well aware of how being in such a situation as described by Ms Sttirella feels and, regardless of the outcome of the astrological investigations, suggest she attend the meeting, attempting not to allow astrological knowledge to obscure her open-mindedness. She may thus have an opportunity to test mundane astrology.

To my simplistic mind this chart seems rather straightforward. Since (please recall that a crude continental European might tend to have a rather down-to-earth, 'mundane' understanding of such things) the asker has corresponded with the asked-about person for apparently quite some time and has not simply engaged his services for pure pleasure on a one-time basis, we clearly have a 7th place, not a 5th place, matter.

Therefore, the asker is represented by the 1st place domicile ruler, Mars, the asked about by the 7th house domicile ruler, Venus. Both considerations indicate a NO for the asker, as Saturn, representing disappointment, postponement and the like, is posited in the 1st place and Mars, who represents the asker, is in partile conjunction to the beginnings of the 1st and 7th places. The two Malefics Saturn and Mars reinforce each other through mutual reception by domiciles.

Venus is in her own Chaldaean confines but averse both to the Ascendant AND to the 7th place she rules. Her domicile ruler, Jupiter, is debilitated in the 8th place and also averse to the Ascendant.

Moon, secondary representative for the asked, is averse to the Ascendant, peregrine in the 8th place, slow, and separating from Jupiter, domicile ruler of the primary representative. She will next encounter Venus but in opposition, an indication that the meeting may take place but without an harmonious outcome.

Ms Sttirella, instead of a douse of cold water on a potential flame of love, moreover on a holiday, i should much preferred to have been able to announce bright kindling. Perhaps others here will, using for example other house systems, do so.

Best regards,

lihin

At this point,i am not really planning to go...i like his attention,so on.
I am gonna try to postpone to i don't know..couple of months later maybe,so i can be focus on my studying instead of worrying for the disharmonious outcome.

sttirella wrote:and the first question i asked was on 2nd December 2012 at 6:32 pm in Eindhoven -Netherlands.
ASC 11 Cancer 31'1
MC 8 Pisces 50'11

and what was your (complete) first question exactly, please?

johannes susato wrote:

sttirella wrote:and the first question i asked was on 2nd December 2012 at 6:32 pm in Eindhoven -Netherlands.
ASC 11 Cancer 31'1
MC 8 Pisces 50'11

and what was your (complete) first question exactly, please?

Well,i said..Whats gonna happen btwn us

I think,i was hoping a kind of love ))

At this point doesn't make any sense to ask the second question that it could be seen in the first one as well?

After passing the moment of disappointment i have decided to meet him anyway.
I mean,i can not change anything what i have or what i don't have (kinda Love it or leave it ) so whoever is entering to my life ,must accept me the way i am .

I will surely update the status.Thank you both for the reply.

Rgds

I just wanted to update ;

It was lovely,we liked each other a lot.
I dont know how many times he mentioned of me being "lovely" that night.

We decided to see each other again and meet again.

since our first date,we keep talking on the phone,sending sms each other.

Well,i suppose i should count on the first chart i made
..whatever.
It was really nice.

thank you all for the comments anyway.

Good morning,

Thank you, Ms Sttirella, for providing us the positive update. Best wishes for your relationship!

To avoid 'self-fulfilling prophesies' and to maintain an open, scientific mental mode it is often excellent to test astrological analyses and prognoses as you have done. Many if not most would not have gone through with the meeting.

So what happened astrologically? You mention a first chart you made. Could you post it, please?

Best regards,

lihin

Hello Lihin,
I don't know how to post the chart but i can tell you the details of the first chart i made.

2nd December 2012 at 6:32 pm in Eindhoven -Netherlands.
ASC 11 Cancer 31'1
MC 8 Pisces 50'11

Good evening Ms Sttirella,

Thanks for the data of the first chart. Am working on it. Was the question identical to the one we considered above? If not, what exactly was it, please? Did you write it down?

At the bottom left of the screen there is a link "How to insert a chart". My best results are with www.tinypic.com after doing a medium-sized JPEG screen capture. Before the upload, one best chooses "Message Board" from the "Resize" menu to get an optimal fit.

Best regards,

lihin

Good Evening Lihin,
I made the chart the moment he started to talk informally.
I asked like 'is something gonna happen btwn us'
By the time we started to talk,we didn't even mention about meeting you know.
The first thing it took my attention was full 5H.
Then my sig. was in ASC.

i will post the chart as soon i can.Maybe we can examine the situation since i already met him.

Good evening,

Here is a chart. Does it match the data?
At a glance it looks more auspicious than the previous one. Hope to return tomorrow with details.

Best regards,

lihin

Yes, it is the same.

I don't know what else to say.
To be honest,i don't understand anything about this one.Because i just see Moon apply to Uranus is the only aspect made by Moon (which should be the sign for 'short affair ' ).
and i took him as 5H by the time.

What took my attention was a lot of 'Water' element.

i think,i should try another chart now,since we met ... because this chart doesn't seem describing my situation.

We spoke for couple of months over the phone,chat,sms etc and we met,had a great time. I am back to where i am living,still in touch,he is already planning for our next meeting which can be couple of months later.
Everything is nice and with no expectation (from my side),while we are both kind of dizzy for the couple of days we spent together..sigh

Good morning,

Here is data on the above horary chart from Janus. Parameters are: all three elemental ruler according to Ptolemy determine house Al-Mubtazz, noctunal Chaldaean confines, Chaldaean decans, point system of Mr William Lilly except 2 points added (instead of subtracted) to Aphrodit? and Herm?s when oriental and vice versa. (Explanation for this was given in a post that got censored.)

Will something happen between us? (1st chart)
2 Dec 2012
18:32:00
CET -01:00:00
Eindhoven
Netherlands
5e28 00
51n26 00

Chart Results

General
Planetary Day Sun
Planetary Hour Mars
No Final Dispositor
Full Moon
VOC Moon
7% Choleric
38% Melancholic
0% Sanguine
53% Phlegmatic
Star Interpretations

(c) Copyright 2002 Hamish Saunders. All rights reserved.

Moon conjunct Procyon 0 13'
Procyon, in Canis Minor (The Small Dog), means "rising before the dog" - that is, before Sirius. It is associated with being hasty and single-minded but also strong-willed and capable of putting thoughts and plans into action. Nature of Mercury and Mars. Changeable and unpredictable, Procyon can take people to great heights and bring them crashing down.

Venus conjunct Alphecca 0 45'
Alphecca, old name, "bright one of the dish." Newer name is Gemma, the "gem" in the Northern Crown - Corona Borealis. Of the nature of Venus and Mercury, it is associated with artistic talent, a liking for literature, art and science, and success in trade and commerce. It can bestow honour, prestige and preferential treatment.

Mars conjunct Nunki 0 40'
Nunki, also known as Pelagus, is a star in the vane of the Archer's bow. Shows truthfulness, optimism and religious devotion. Fortunate for seafarers. Nature of Mercury and Jupiter.

Saturn conjunct Khambalia 0 20'
Khambalia is a star on the Virgin's left foot. Shows unreliability, uncertainty and change. Can also indicate arguments, impulsiveness and sudden violence. Nature of Mercury and Mars.

Midheaven conjunct Skat 0 14'
Skat is a star on the right shin of the Waterman. Brings good fortune, help from friends and lasting happiness. Nature of Mercury and Saturn.


Dignity Calculations

Mars in mutual reception to Saturn by rulership
Mars +5
Saturn +5

Saturn is peregrine -5
Saturn is in house 5 +3
Saturn is direct +4
Saturn is swift +2
Saturn is oriental +2
Saturn is free of suns beams +5

Jupiter is peregrine -5
Jupiter is in its detriment -5
Jupiter is in house 12 -5
Jupiter is retrograde -5
Jupiter is swift +2
Jupiter is oriental +2
Jupiter is free of suns beams +5

Mars is exalted ruler of its sign +4
Mars is ruler of its face +1
Mars is in house 7 +4
Mars is direct +4
Mars is swift +2
Mars is occidental -2
Mars is free of suns beams +5

Sun is peregrine -5
Sun is in house 6 -2
Sun is swift +2

Venus is peregrine -5
Venus is in its detriment -5
Venus is in house 5 +3
Venus is direct +4
Venus is swift +2
Venus is oriental +2
Venus is free of suns beams +5

Mercury is peregrine -5
Mercury is in house 5 +3
Mercury is direct +4
Mercury is slow -2
Mercury is oriental +2
Mercury is free of suns beams +5

Moon is domicile ruler of its sign +5
Moon is trip ruler of its sign +3
Moon is ruler of its face +1
Moon is in house 1 +5
Moon is slow -2
Moon is free of suns beams +5
Moon is waning -2

In my humble experience negative considerations need not necessarily scare an astrologer from judgement but they should render her even more wary and cautious than usual, especially when there are several unmitigated ones. Rather than insist on judgement in spite of heavy negative considerations, the sage desists. We see that, in fact, the asker did not 'connect' with the hour and thus not with the initial chart but erected (and is still erecting) newer ones on the same matter. The Moon 'void of course' underscores these developments. The sextile from Saturn to Mars is not only mitigated by their mutual reception but, in this particular case, significantly improves the chart's auspiciousness. This chart illustrates the adage: What a difference primary motion makes!

For my limited mind, the symbol set represented by the above data more than suffices so i leave delineations of objects like Uranus to those competent.

Best regards,

lihin