hi Ile,

i think it is great what you are doing and i respect your desire to follow in some type of tradition.. i think the tradition includes the idea that planets can be a general symbol for certain areas of life too.. venus and relationships and marriage for example, moon for family and perhaps both these for women in one's life. my understanding is that this axis regardless of which end represents the parents.. i note a heavy focus on men as opposed to women in some of the early astrological literature.. i was curious to see what the lot of the mother was while reading 'introduction to traditional astrology'. if you look at ben dykes book you will note the formula for lot/part of the father comes up on page 294, while the lot of the mother comes up much later on page 318.. now maybe this is a little quirk where all these other lots/parts need to be covered first before we come to the lot of the mother.. i don't know, but to me its suggestive of the relative value of these things..

interesting perhaps for you is that the formula for these lots/parts of the father and mother involve what i am trying to say with reference to the moon in your chart.. the formula for the mother involves moon and venus off the ascendant and reverses depending on whether it is a day or night chart.. the formula for the father involves the sun and saturn.. i think the reason for these formulas is they have something to do with the general idea of father and mother as represented by certain planets - sun, moon and etc..

as to your question - are you following me correctly? - yes!

thanks for sharing your take on the new moon in your solar return. i was thinking it might somehow go back to your own chart and the moon placement, but i don't know exactly. it was interesting for me from that angle..ultimately for me the moon is a general symbol for the family and women. when i see it so close to a conjunction on this axis i associate with the parents i made the association of the 4th with the mother.. at any rate based on your chart i would say you have a very close relationship to your mother!!! cheers james

Here is another example.
I think that Whole Signs here plays better role in the description of the event.

This is the natal chart. This is the Direction. This is the Solar Return. Event is a death of his father when he was 11 years old.

I think that the death of his father here is shown in several ways.
First, there is a direction of Ascendant to the Sun - natural significator of Father's in a day charts.
Second, Sun is in the 8th sign from the IC! signifying father's death, or saying something about his death.
Third, in the revolution this Sun also rules 8th from IC and is on the IC signifying ends alongside Mercurry who is radical accidental significator of the Father ruling the IC!
Fourth, SR ASC hits exactly natal Saturn, ruler of Pars Mortis Patris [death of the father] in Aquarius.

On the other side, Ascendant by Distributions comes to 26?Aquarius in exact conjunction with Pars Mortis Patris [death of father] which is taken by day from Saturn to Jupiter and projected from the ascendant. Saturn is Distributor and it is by transit in this sign, coming almost in exact degree on the day of the death [just entered the terms of the distribution at 25? Aquarius].

These are the factors in my opinion, that described his father's death in that year.

Ile wrote:Here is another example.
I think that Whole Signs here plays better role in the description of the event.

Event is a death of his father when he was 11 years old.

I think that the death of his father here is shown in several ways.

Second, Sun is in the 8th sign from the IC! signifying father's death, or saying something about his death.

this 2nd point is not based off whole sign houses, but perhaps you've made an exception for this one here.

Ile wrote:Third, in the revolution this Sun also rules 8th from IC and is on the IC signifying ends alongside Mercurry who is radical accidental significator of the Father ruling the IC!
Fourth, SR ASC hits exactly natal Saturn, ruler of Pars Mortis Patris [death of the father] in Aquarius.

These are the factors in my opinion, that described his father's death in that year.

i agree with you about the 4th point - sr asc conjunct natal saturn being central. natal saturn is ruler of his sun and the 12th house and a natural signifactor for death.. another interesting feature of the sr chart is the location of saturn at 18 aquarius quite close to the rising mercury in the natal chart which rules the 11 year olds i.c. and 8th house, suggesting that issues around death and the family dynamic, (perhaps the father more specifically) will be a central focus in this year of the persons life. this is strengthened with the sr square of saturn to sr moon in scorpio and perhaps even more so by the sr sun/mercury on i.c.

as for the primary direction data you share, i would need to see the chart data in order to make a more informed comment on that but it seems simple enough and continues to emphasize this theme of the father.

James,

this 2nd point is not based off whole sign houses, but perhaps you've made an exception for this one here.

I don't understand your remark.
I count 8th signs from IC's placement in Gemini.

location of saturn at 18 aquarius quite close to the rising mercury in the natal chart which rules the 11 year olds i.c. and 8th house, suggesting that issues around death and the family dynamic, (perhaps the father more specifically) will be a central focus in this year of the persons life. this is strengthened with the sr square of saturn to sr moon in scorpio and perhaps even more so by the sr sun/mercury on i.c.

Of course, though for me even more intriguing is Saturn's conjunct Part of Death of Father.