Thank you very much, Mark, for this - your - perfect thread which to study is very inspiring!
At the same time this really overwhelming list of possibilities to be considered seems to be never ending.
I know it is not very 'mundane' to proceed like this, but what about to convert your first sentence opening this thread:

Mark wrote:I am starting this thread to discuss the possibility of Scottish independence over the next few years.

into the Horary question:
"Will there be the Scottish independence over the next few years?"?

Perhaps an Horray could be an adition to all other possible considerations you refer to.

And again, there would be the possibility, to ask this question anew and 'at the right time', or what about to take the 'Edinburgh Agreement Natal Chart' or the time of you opening this thread as that for the Horary Question?

Johannes

Hello All,

I had promised to update you all further on this topic. I'm sorry I have not posted in this thread lately.

I should explain that I have been selected as a speaker on this topic at the United Kingdom Astrological Association Conference this September. My talk is entitled: 'Scotland-Independence or Union?'

http://www.astrologicalassociation.com/ ... gramme.php

I will be exploring the astrology of Scotland and the United Kingdom as well as the key players involved in the independence vs union debate.

I am therefore keeping most of the material to myself for now until after my conference talk. No need to worry as that still gives us a full year to discuss the topic afterwards.

Mark

While my current Astro*Cartography program is showing some small variations according to how I modify my maps, it is interesting how Pluto is on the ascendant and forms a line that crosses (cuts) the Scottish/English border in the chart of the Solar Eclipse May 10. 2013.

looks like England is finally going to be free

I think that if the topic comes to a rise and a date for the vote is decided upon in conjunction with the lunar eclipse or the near abouts, and that this vote has consequence, then the chart will have proven itself in satisfactory manner.

Now they, i.e. Alex Salmond, have announced a

Date for the Referendum:

September 18, 2014

Johannes

This announcement comes within a day of the Vernal equinox. Mars in Aries (Great Britain) is running for Uranus at the same time as s cycle is cycle is coming to end under the combustion of the Sun. The Sun is in Aries, but the Moon is in Cancer, Scotland.

All credit to Mark, who started this thread and put so much hard work and effort in introducing us to the topic and following it through.

As I demonstrated here some time ago the charts with the sun at 15:00:00 Aquarius - corresponding to the Chinese New Year (solar calendar) - will yield an insight into the forthcoming year. I called these charts "Octilograms". The charts based on 15:00:00 TAU / LEO / SCO will give additional information.
The solar Vernal Ingress may yield concrete details, but the Sun at 15 AQU
obviously provides the fundamental energies.

The chart above is for London, next to it the Lunar for the time of the Scottish vote on independence.
With MO/UR at DC a possible splitting of national unity will be in the centre
of public awareness and discussion.
However, with JU conj. CAN-MC it seems probable that national unity will be secured. VE/PLU conj IC - a certain pressure put on the voters cannot be ruled out (?).
LL

Hi Lunlumo,

Good to see you back! I always enjoy reading your posts here. However, your chart inserts/data seem to be distorting the size of the thread somewhat.

Just to explain my non-presence on this thread for so long I was invited to give a talk on this subject at UK Astrological Association Conference last September.

I am now writing an article on the subject for the UK Astrological Association Journal. This should appear in the early summer.

I felt I had to keep my personal research on this topic confidential until these commitments were out of the way.

However, there will be a flurry of posts on this topic by me once my article is out!

Mark

Hi Mark - the AA journal likes to have exclusivity for a few months for the articles they publish, but afterwards, if you want me to publish on Skyscript, I'd be happy to do that.

There are a few good points here, although the topic was initiated at Skyscript soon 3 years and it seems a pity that the members should not be able to discuss the topic further or that Mark should be quarentined almost until the issue is voted for and decided. The matter of Scottish independence is a running discussion and I wonder, upon discression, whether the two forums should be seen as two separate things.

Sorry Mark for my oversizing here... I'll take care the next time.

Having just listened to a report on that issue (on the radio over here, Germany) I feel less "confident" (quotation marks meaning I'm neutral, of course..) The number of those wanting a separation has obviously markedly increased over the past months.
Moreover: The chart inserted above, when referred to Edinburgh, is not really different - Edinburgh and London having about the same geographical length.
I.e. JU exalted in CAN conj MC is found for Scotland as well.

I then remembered the UK-chart of April 12th, 1927, midnight - that you discussed.
The sec. progressions of that chart for the day of the vote (Sept. 18, 2014):
A striking fact: AC/MC at first degrees cardinal signs - meaning one might have to thoroughly revise one's orientations (?).
SUN conj PLU / JU/UR conj
And UR tr will be at 15 CAN on the day of the voting, i.e. square SUN/PLU .
That will probably put a stress on the UK. The outcome might be a narrow one.
LL