james wrote:hi andrew,

first off - thanks for commenting! kudos on your age point technique for isolating a possible time for concern on thatcher as well. it reminds me of a saturn transit applied a certain way, but after going and reading on your site, i see it isn't that.. it would be nice to see you demonstrate it on someone else in advance here at skyscript.

Well, my material on the Age Point has been on the offering for 20 years. I have lectured on the subject in Norway and Warsaw, Poland, but applications to the AA and UAC have just not reached up in competition with other highly qualified applicants. Never mind. The work is not in bookform, but the introduction is available for free at astronor.com. One application and accomplishment of the technique was the letter addressed the Norwegian Crown Prince Harald in March 1990 that correctly and contructively advised him to take care of his father in June of that year. King Olav V suffered from a stroke in the last week of May and Harald sat as Crown Prince Regent from the beginning of June until Olav V passed away in January the following year. (Link)

In reference to the current topic, the build up in North-Korea, one of my major concerns lies to the chart of Kim Il-sung born April 15. 1912. He passed away on July 8. 1994. This is the grandfather of Kim Jong-un and it is obvious that the bond between Kim Jong-un and his grandfather is very strong. Some analysts fear Kim Jong-un may launch an attack on South Korea or some other target on April 15. in honour and celebration of his grandfathers memory. Posthumously, Kim Il-sung's chart may still be active, in which case his natal Sun is in the 25th degree of Aries, and Mars will be transitting this degree in the firstcoming weekend, April 13-14., which is ahead of and in preparation or the 15th.

But what is equally worrying is that it will be 101 years since Kim Il-sung's birth and the Solar Agepoint directed in his chart will reach 19? Leo. I have several times pointed out (at Skyscript) how this degree, which is trine the exaltation degree of the Sun, has been assosiated with some of the biggies - and featured in some of the largest earthquakes of modern time. In another fashion, if referred to the chart of Princess Diana, it is apparant that her AgePoint (taken from the ascendant) was conjunct 19?Leo at the time she married Prince Charles. This is one of the most significant, yet also critical moments of her life. The other occasion being when she died in the car crash in Paris on Aug 31. 1997 with her AgePoint 11? Taurus. This is the antiscia degree of 19? Leo, so the theme of crises and fatality was emphasised once again.

Applying the AP-technique to Kim Jong Un, if applying the 1983 chart then his SAP (Solar AgePoint) now is directed to 15? Cancer, ruled by the Moon in Scorpio conjunt Saturn, which is in the degree of the Moon's fall. This is why I believe the 1983 chart to be the most dangerous. If using the 1984 chart then the SAP is 21? Cancer and still is disposed by the Moon. The Moon is square Uranus in Sagittarius and may make a lot of noise, but I still think the Moon in Pisces is less dangerous than in Scorpio.

I haven't wanted to get too deeply into the AgePoint at Skyscript, because this didn't feel right. I've been working the technique for 28 years and felt more like something that should be presented at a conference. So for reasons I have been keeping things at home and sticking to the job. If it works, the technique will come around with time and there will be time to pick up on details in the future. The main concern now is the tension in the Korean peninsula with the possible consequences this may have and how the problem may be resolved. It requires a few cool heads up on the top somewhere, or else a situation could develop that could be hard to handle.

hi varuna and andrew
-andrew i will respond to you in a separate post. thanks.

varuna,

the un has meant a lot of things to a lot of different people. i agree that some have used it for the wrong reasons as you emphasize. it is interesting that when it serves the purposes of a country it is all good, but when it doesn't a media campaign is started to say how useless the un is.. obviously some countries aren't interested in working together with others, or only in so far as they are able to have more leverage/power over others.. there is nothing 'humanitarian' about that. it is easy for some to defeat the greater purpose of others. do we decide to no longer have hold high ideals becuase of the mechanisms of a few? i have read chang tzu and lao tze.. i enjoy what they have to say. what do you think is the best way to serve the interests of all countries on the world stage at this point in history?

here is a chart for the un. immediately below is the approx time of resolution 2094 on march 7th prior to the increase in some of this rhetoric. it is interesting to note the position of saturn at 11 scorpio in a 135 to mars at 26 pisces while both connect back to the natal pluto at 11 leo. the approx position of the moon at 24 sits in opposition to the mars/saturn conjunction in the un chart as well. one does wonder of what benefit it serves to impose sanctions on countries and we have had recent examples where it has been used to starve or deprave innocent people who happen to live in countries where the leader isn't going along with the un agenda


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andrew,

thanks for more info on the age point technique. are you making a prediction with it here off kim jong un's 83 chart, or just speaking generally on the likelihood of an acknowledgement of his new leadership and the anniversary of his grandfather?

regarding the possibility of some sort of show on the anniversary of kim jong uns grandfathers birthday april 15, that often seems to happen so it is a good guess to suggest something might happen on the 15th as far as that goes..

from foreign policy "Based on intelligence we and the Americans have collected, it's highly likely that North Korea will launch a missile," South Korean Foreign Minister Yun Byung-se told a parliamentary hearing Wednesday. "Such a possibility could materialize at any time from now."

According to South Korean military officials, the North has in recent days moved several kinds of missiles -- including Musudan, Rodong, and Scud varieties -- to the country's north east coast, where they can easily be fired off in tandem."

and "In the past, North Korea has often timed missile tests to important holidays and milestones in the country's history. Several such dates will occur in the next few days, including the anniversary of Kim Jong Un's ascent to power and the birthdate next Monday of his grandfather, Kim Il Sung."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/

thanks for more info on the age point technique. are you making a prediction with it here off kim jong un's 83 chart, or just speaking generally on the likelihood of an acknowledgement of his new leadership and the anniversary of his grandfather?

The signature in his grandfather's chart is no joke. And if Kim Jong-un has a 1983 chart with the Moon is in Scorpio, everything can go wrong. What I have seen so far looks as the Moon is in Pisces and we have an 84 chart. Then we are down to an anniversary, maybe with a mishap, but still the better. However, I fear what is signified in the the 83 chart and what is signified in the grandfather's chart. Both options should be considered.

It is not unresonableto consider a chart posthumously. A movement started by someone may be completed or come to a head at a later date, even though the person who initiated the movement has passed away.

Kenji Fujimoto, a sushi chef who worked for his family until 2001 and later wrote a tell-all, claims he was born Jan. 8, 1983 ? the same date as The King, Elvis Presley.

The above comes from an NBC news article that refers to Kim Jong Un's date of Birth as Jan. 8, 1983.

The link is: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... -know?lite.

I tend to go for the above date. With the Moon in Scorpio, conjunct Saturn, his ruler, and Pluto. This placement can make him very cold, cruel, calculating bad deceptive. A very dangerous combination. In addition to his Pluto in libra trining Mars in Aquarius, making it very easy to release missiles causing violent and explosive destruction, without any qualms, particularly if he has a distorted sense of justice, he will feel he is right and justified to take the action he does.

Andrew,

Very interesting regarding his grandfathers age point!!!! Very scary and disturbing. Thanks for sharing that insight.

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hi andrew,

i am not sure what the signature in the grandfathers chart you are referring to.

as regards everything can go wrong with the 83 chart, why do you say this?

i do agree with you that a chart from the past such as the grandfathers chart can have relevance here.. however it is another chart we have no birth time for.. making predictions off day charts seems like a fools game to me.

perhaps you are inputting this general data into your age point concept and seeing something, but i had asked that directly but wasn't given a direct response.. i am still curious if this is the basis for all your concern, or is it mostly off the news feed and rhetoric from both sides? it seems it has cooled down the past day.

Andrew Bevan wrote:
The signature in his grandfather's chart is no joke. And if Kim Jong-un has a 1983 chart with the Moon is in Scorpio, everything can go wrong. What I have seen so far looks as the Moon is in Pisces and we have an 84 chart. Then we are down to an anniversary, maybe with a mishap, but still the better. However, I fear what is signified in the the 83 chart and what is signified in the grandfather's chart. Both options should be considered.

It is not unreasonable to consider a chart posthumously. A movement started by someone may be completed or come to a head at a later date, even though the person who initiated the movement has passed away.

hi morning sun,

thanks for the link and suggestion you too think 83 is the likely chart. i don't think the chart is as bad as some here.. moon/saturn conjunction is coming from a place of insecurity and fear.. whether he lets that guide him or learns how to gain greater insight into himself and others remains to be seen, but i think this is something someone with that combo is capable of and one of the beautiful possibilities with that combo.. the venus/mercury conjunction sextile jupiter, along with the mars in aquarius looks very playful and fun to me.. it has to be taken with the moon/saturn which i do believe is the outstanding feature of his chart though.

maybe i am naive.. i like to think that people hide behind certain facade's based on insecurity, not on anything else. otherwise i think we are all the same in wanting the same for all people on this planet, which brings me to varuna's post.

hi varuna,

thanks for sharing.. i did listen to the gaddafi video from earlier where he pointed out that it was 65 wars that had been started since the UN began - and that was in 2009 when he gave the speech. one does have to wonder about the confluence of a few countries in combination with the nature of international finance has shaped the direction of world history since the time of ww2.. waiting for Kalki is the pastime of more then a few.

Hi James,

I think on this one I will stand by my previous post, assessment of him. I think the photos they release of him can be deceiving, in that we are seeing him smiling and we are seeing that playful side of the aspect of Venus/Mercury sextile Jupiter.

HOWEVER, if you take the traditional ruler, of that conjunction it is Saturn, dispositor of his Sun. He is a Capricorn, and the Pluto/Saturn/Moon conjunction is an emotionally rooted power/authority struggle. He NEEDS to prove his power, and as a Capricorn, establish his own authority, that is part of his nature, and with Pluto there he will do it in HIS WAY. Pluto gives a lot of power struggles, and violence, and as mentioned previously, with ease for him as Pluto is Trining Mars, so it comes easy to him!! Saturn/Pluto conjunction makes (the authority/power struggle) it all the more intense, and I think this will be seen the older he gets.

If you take Uranus as the ruler of the Venus/Mercury conjunction, you have Jupiter conjunct Uranus, expanding and magnifying the need Uranus has to prove or show themselves in a unique way, to set themselves apart in some way. Which he is doing: in throwing his international tantrum of verbal displays of threats. Very verbal about it. Also that configuration is why he gets his hair cut the way he does. He is standing out in his country, as that is a Western style haircut, ?showing he is cool?? In my opinion he also has a desire to set himself apart in a very unique way, and is compelled to do it with Jupiter conjunct, and being its dispositor. I had 3 clients that when Uranus transited their 1st house of physical appearance, changed their appearance in some way, one got a breast enlargement, one a very vivid obvious tattoo, and the other a very bright colored hair change. So that aspect of Uranus having to show itself as being different in some way will definitely show up somewhere, as we do not know what house that is in, that remains to be seen. Also Uranus, doesn?t it rule atomic energy? Conjunct Jupiter? Reports are that N. Korea is selling nuclear technology to Iran, and definitely supplying them with missile parts, and are very big in smuggling of arms, weapons, drugs (meth), into other countries, apparently that is where they are getting their money from, as not much other industry there.

In charts that I have done, and people whom I know that have Saturn conjunct either their Sun or their Moon, are prone to bouts of depression, gloom, and crankiness, all the more so with his Moon in Scorpio, I?ll bet he sulks a lot if he does not get his own way. Capricorns like to get their own way, they consider themselves authorities, and they are achievers in their own way. They are also very status conscious.

So that is a bit more of my take. I do agree with you there that it is also a place of insecurity and fear (Saturn/Moon conjunction). I also agree with you that MOST people on the planet want the same things, peaceful, happy family life, but there sure are some evil people lately coming out in our news, lots of 20 yrs olds killing multiple people. Very strange, the younger age group, what could have warped so many of them? I can?t believe some of the happenings of late in the news, and how some people have become so terrible, and the crimes horrendous. Don?t like to think of that too much, rather creepy.

Food for thought anyway.
Morning Sun

hi morning sun,

thanks for these additional comments!

we don't know his birth time.. i wish we did! i suppose it is a matter of perspective. i am nervous casting for the new most evil leader on the planet and didn't really care for the way some of the ones in the past have been typecast. and i wonder how much propaganda feeds into this too as i watched osama bin laden morph into saddam hussein about 10 years ago.

it seems to come down to who has nuclear weapons and who doesn't.. the category when we don't know whether they do or don't is a special category where the leaders are typically vilified. are we any further with nuclear weapons? are the countries with nuclear weapons doing anything to make us feel more comfortable? the best thing they could do would be to get together and agree to get rid of them. unfortunately this isn't on the radar or being discussed. instead we are essentially being told to prepare for the worst.. what kind of inspired leadership is that from world leaders? end of rant.

okay - moon in scorpio applying to a sextile with sun in capricorn while the ruler of the sun is in a conjunction with pluto. i agree - power and a desire to demonstrate this is more emphasized. i agree that capricorn is often focused on status. he is cementing his idea of being the leader with power at this time largely due the fact he is the new guy on the block. i think he is going about it the wrong way, but how much of what he is doing is about this, as opposed to actually doing something destructive? i say, it is mostly for show, or a political move on his part that he 'feels' (moon in scorpio) he has to do .. what he really needs to do is show some greater vision for the people of his country to integrate with the rest of the world in a mutually supportive way.. he isn't helped any way with the constant presence of us military right next door doing regular military exercises with south korea is he? i think the people of south korea and north korea would like to be on good terms with each other as i think there are many family ties between the 2 countries.

another feature of his chart that i like is the jupiter/uranus conjunction. it also offsets the saturn/pluto conjunction to a degree. i think there are enough elements of his chart to be positive about in the absence of knowing much about him that it would be better to think positive then negative. the clash in his chart of the strong square between saturn/pluto to venus/mercury is a concern but how much of that is offset by the relationship of venus/mercury to the jupiter/uranus sextile? you mention how he needs to set himself apart in some unique way given that venus/mercury connection to uranus and i think that is true too. i think much of what is going on here is his first foray into the world stage. i think he has sort of alienated himself towards china which doesn't seem like a smart move in that they are providing important resources and money to north korea and one of their few friends in the area.

as for evil people - the way i see it the world needs more empathy and less taking a tough stance when he know very little about the true motives of others. i would like to see some real leadership on the world stage in some humanitarian context but i see very little of any of that. maybe there are some positive stories going on at present but the media outlets that i do happen to catch info on seem to mostly focus on the negative instead of the positives.. i think the countries on the security council have real influence and would be better served showing some vision for the future as opposed to responding as they have with un sanctions.. i think these sanctions are a bad idea as they were in the case of iraq, and i think they are a bad idea with regard to iran and north korea at this point... these actions do nothing to create an atmosphere of invitation and receptivity..

it goes back to who has nuclear weapons and who doesn't. is this supposed to be some exclusive membership where only certain countries are allowed to have them and some aren't? if they are about having power and exerting control on others i can see why countries that feel threatened want to have them..

Hi James,

I pretty much agree with you on everything in your post. I pretty much feel the same way.

One thing that was nice was to hear China, Russia even Castro, come out and say, no country has the right to disrupt the entire world. That was a shining moment, where we all came together, as a world. I am very opposed to nuclear weapons, and even nuclear energy. The biggest example was the disaster at Fukishima, Japan. We do not know how to deal with radioactive material yet. We only have one earth and we all live here, it would be nice if all countries realized that.

One of the biggest shames, is the underground Nuclear testing they did in Nevada totally contaminated the huge aquifer under Las Vegas, they have plenty of water, but cannot use it, as it is contaminated, radioactive!! How bad is that.

Enough of my rants. Before this was escalated to this point, my reading on the chart you posted of when he took office, also said Kim Jung Un, was doing this to establish his authority as a world leader.

I hope it is just posturing on his part.
Take Care,
Morning Sun

from foreign policy "North Koreans celebrated the birthday of Kim Il Sung, their nation's founder, without incident Monday, a day widely seen as a prime window for the isolated nation to make good on its threats to fire off missiles. "

here are the lunar and solar eclipse charts set to north korea's capital.


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