Michaelb

thanks for your comments!

regarding the comment - there must be a base chart to consider - the event chart is a chart that can be considered on it's own, even if there are other important charts that have a direct connection with the event chart.

here are the birthdates of the 2 suspects in this bombing.

tamerlan tsnarlaev oct 21 1986 born in russia
dzhokhar tsnarlaev july 22 1993 born in kyrgyzstan.

hopefully we'll get specific place and birth times to go with this.

the outstanding astro feature of dzhokhar tsarnaev's from one point of view is the obvious mercury in close opposition to uranus/neptune. i have set the time for noon and the capital of the country he is said to be born in the absence of more specific data. this gives approximate positions of mercury retro at 18 cancer 44, uranus 19 capricorn 49 and neptune 19 capricorn 29.

what is interesting if you are into midpoints like i am is how the mars/pluto midpoint which i associate with the capability and potential for violence and aggression happens to be 19 libra 56, using this noon time. this is not too far away from this obvious planetary configuration in his natal chart, however without an examination or consideration of midpoints, it is much less clear to see any mars/pluto emphasis as it is in his older brothers chart where mars and pluto form a fairly tight square in the chart.

all of this now brings me to my final comment which relates to the timing of the bombing which is now listed as 249pm from the wikipedia page. i have mentioned how i work with the 45 and 135 degree aspects.. without the use of these aspects the immediate connection between the ascendant axis and neptune in the bombing event chart can't be witnessed.. using these aspects though, one can note the connection from 4 mutable to 19 cardinal immediately, as this is what a 45/135 degree aspect is.
here are the charts that hep demonstrate all this.



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interesting about the mars/pluto combo. i am not sure if it is the person that can act it out or that they may be the victim of extreme actions on the part of others. i was looking at a well known person in the category of 'suspected terrorist' that also has a strong mars/pluto connection in this example a conjunction. jose padilla - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_ ... risoner%29
again, i don't have a birth time for him but i note the mars/pluto conjunction in his chart and the fact that he has the same sun/moon combo as tamerlan tsnarlaev too..


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tom,

i left a link to patriot's day and what it is from wikipedia on this thread.. i do know the date is april 19th.. it would appear you skipped over that.
i also posted a chart for the battles of lexington and concord april 19 1775.. i also mentioned timothy mcveigh and the fact the oklahoma bombing happened on april 19th and he was an example of a right wing nut job...

there is plenty of opportunity for you to talk astrology for all of what i have posted, but i note there is none in your post here today..

tom,

varuna made the 'point' you keep repeating much earlier in the thread, and to which i responded. my passing comment that you appear obsessed with wasn't a prediction and it was made in the form of a question. your intent in the last 2 posts comes across to me like a personal attack which are again devoid of any astrology.

here is a composite chart for the tsnaraev brothers. the bottom chart is put into a 45 degree wheel. given the fact the time of birth and location is unknown, the moon and angles will be off. the inner planets might be off as much as a degree or so. the outer planets will be very close to the same.


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sun into aries ingress put to boston.

in this chart the mars/uranus conjunction rising squares onto the moon which is in turn is in opposition to pluto close to the midheaven. both the sun and mars are very strong here given the sun is rising in the sign of it's exaltation - a flaw with any aries ingress chart, and mars happens to be strong in its own sign. mars is the malefic opposite the sect of the chart here and rules the ascendant and the 8th house. saturn the other malefic is retro and in the 8th house and under the rulership of mars.. all stuff you wise astrologers are already aware of i am sure! the moon is also strong by sign and house position, but not the sect light of this chart.. it is 1 minute short of an exact square to uranus suggesting the unexpected surprises/jolts that make for a less tranquil dynamic which is the deep need of a moon in cancer in general. mars square moon is more clearly more of the same thing.


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Hi
A link perhaps giving place of birth for Tamerlan
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 59170.html
He met his wife, Zubeidat, in Elista, the provincial capital of the Kalmykia region, where they were both students. Zubeidat, an ethnic Avar, came from Dagestan.

Though Tamerlan was born in Kalmykia, now part of Russia, the family blossomed after settling back in Kyrgyzstan, growing to include two daughters, Ailina and Bella, and Dzhokhar. Mr. Tsarnaev landed a job in the prosecutor's office in Bishkek. END read whole article at link above

This seems to point to Tamerlan being born in Elista Russia, and Dzhokhar being born in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan 42n54 74e36 / on Solar Fire use Biskek zone -6 hours.

Elista in Solar Fire is found using Elista, Russia in search. 46n16 44e14 Time Zone BADT -4.00 hours that is, east of GMT.
A link to Elista http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elista

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Amw ... =yfp-t-900

The link above should produce a map of Kalmykia Russia. Note Chechnya below or south of Kalmykia. You see city Groznyy on map most are familiar with at bottom of map. Michaelb

thanks michaelb

tamerlan - the son and bombing suspect who died had a wife and young child. her name and birthdate off the net is said to be katherine russell - feb 6 1989. don't know what the place is, but here is a chart for the date set for noon boston. note the mars/pluto opposition squaring onto sun. there are some obvious match ups to this chart and tamerlans so perhaps the date for her is correct.


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the wsj article that michaelb posted is quite informative.

brendan mass was referred to by tamelan tsarnaev as his best friend. he was murdered sept 11th or 12 2011 along with 2 others and they didn't find the perpetrator. some are now coming forward to suggest tamelan might have been responsible. the birth date for brendan mass is jan 16 1986 according to an obit here -
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/boston ... bLoggedOut

The WSJ article is really nice.
If ever I find the birth chart of Dzokhar Tsarnev, I will only look for two things- a pushy mother and an idiot brother.That should explain all his misery and that of the americans.