When the ancients studied the fixed stars, they would have probably looked into the rising and culminating stars, paran stars and ecliptic conjunctions of fixed stars to important personal planets. When they look to the planets, they would look at the triplicity/trigon lords and spearbearers of luminary in sect (and sometimes take a peek at the luminary not of sect). When they look to the houses, they would look into tenth and first houses. When they looked to the Lots, they would look to the Lot of Fortune, Lot of Spirit, Lot of Exaltation and (less so) to the Lot of Basis.

I think that all of these methods seem to indicate eminence in different ways or different types of eminence. The eminence derived from the fixed stars and the planet (luminary of the sect) is referred for those nativities with Destiny.

Brilliant! I have been trying to understand how Doruphoros contrasts to other indications of eminence and in what context it should be used in Nativities regarding the subject, so this puts things into better perspective for me. If you do not mind me asking astro jin does this view result from the astrological literature, or is it a result of your experiences with the subject? I ask not because I doubt your word, but because I am interested in looking into the source material for myself (if any) so as to facilitate my learning.

hi tyler,

astrojin's posts are indeed brilliant as i see it too! i don't know if he comes by skyscript that often but in private conversations with him i can venture to guess that his ideas are based on experience more then any particular book he's read. of all the many posters i have read, he seems to have been able to formulate/synthesize an understanding of the various text to a high point and to also be able to share that when communicating! those are a rare combination of assets! maybe he will be able to comment directly to you, but you could do yourself a favour and type in his name in the search field to learn more from astrojin as his posts are typically brilliant and worth the effort!