Johannes and PD were saying:

pankajdubey wrote:
Now suppose, Moon is at 1 degree taurus and Sun at 29 degree taurus.
Is moon VOC or just out of the orb of conjunction of Sun.

Johannes:

If the Moon is still in separation from another planet, she would reach a region in the sign, where she would end separation and not yet be within the moyety of both, hers and the Sun his, orbs, i.e. she would be void of course then, later on.

This is something years ago in reading the confusion passed on by the Modernes, Anthony Louis(then a skeptical Moderne now studying Traditionalism) to be speacific in his first book, had stated evidently what he had gathered from so many other Modernes and misunderstood from pre-1700 writters, that the Moon would connect with the Sun as they were in the same sign.

However, with the Moon a 1 deg. and the Sun at 29 deg., both in taurus, since Luna moves at about 12-15 degrees per day, and Sol averages 57 minutes, besides not being within Al Biruni's orbs that Lilly used, the Sun will be in Gemini long before Luna has a chance to perfect.

The below is a side track discussion but I just need it confirmed.

Please tell me that any planets applying that far away can not perfect as they are out of orb even if the aspect finally catches up and perfects before the more ponderous planet leaves it's sign!

Clinton Garrett Soule

Wise men know how little they know

It comes under perfection and denial.
Here is the link for a fuller explanation.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/tobyn2.html

Hi I would also like to add it also depends on how many Planets/asteriods you use...

For example Tuesday 4th June 2013, does the Moon become Void of course after aspecting Jupiter at 25.05 Aries 7.08am BST
Or do you count the Sun Semi square the Moon at 29.06 Aries at 3.06pm BST, or Moon conjunt Bienor at 29.52 Airies at 4.38Pm leaving just 15 mins till the Moon enters Taurus, an interesting dilema.......

VestaDS wrote:Hi I would also like to add it also depends on how many Planets/asteriods you use...

For example Tuesday 4th June 2013, does the Moon become Void of course after aspecting Jupiter at 25.05 Aries 7.08am BST
Or do you count the Sun Semi square the Moon at 29.06 Aries at 3.06pm BST, or Moon conjunt Bienor at 29.52 Airies at 4.38Pm leaving just 15 mins till the Moon enters Taurus, an interesting dilema.......

You are right of course, for the space where the Moon or the other planets could be void of course becomes the more narrow, the more planets or asteroids we use.

But there is no problem in my opinion, at least following Lilly and others, with the Moon's becoming void of course the 4th of June: The Moon will not be void of course then.

Immediately after her perfect sextile with Jupiter (at 25.00, there seems to be a difference in the computing of our sofware) the Moon, still in separation from this sextile, is 13 minutes later already in application to the opposition of Saturn in 25.46 Scoropio. The distance between the Moon and Saturn's perfect opposition is 10.43 degrees, the "moiety of both their orbs" being 12+9=21:2= 10?30?.

Thus the Moon applies, after perfecting the sextile with Jupiter and still in separtaion from him and still in the sign of his position, to the Opposition of Saturn and is not void of course.

Johannes

And what about Venus at 1.25 Cancer at the time of the Moon's sextile to Jupiter?

Before the Moon can perfect her opposition with Saturn, she will perfect her sextile to Venus. And again: still in separation from Jupiter, she will apply to the sextile of Venus as long as she, the Moon, is in her sign of position.

Johannes

Thanks for the great lesson. One of the books that I watch Llewellyn's Planetary guide 2013, shows the Moon VOC after the Jupiter aspect.
But they dont tell you everything!!!! and I have other sources of information.....

VestaDS wrote:Thanks for the great lesson. One of the books that I watch Llewellyn's Planetary guide 2013, shows the Moon VOC after the Jupiter aspect.
But they dont tell you everything!!!! and I have other sources of information.....

They obviously follow the other branch of teachings, which claims that a star, which does not perfect conjunction or an aspect with another star as long as he (the first star) is within the singn of his position, is void of course.
The consequence is that they have a star in the state of being void of course much more often than Lilly, for example.