In studying Lee Lehman's relationship horary series, I saw that every single chart where the moon was VOC, there was no future in the relationship... so the "nothing will come of it" rule seems to apply here.

Actually, it says exactly what Lilly says it means-that the business enquired about will seldom go handsomely forward. Most people ask relationship horaries in the hope that the answer will be yes. Yes, you will live happily ever after. A no is a very undesirable answer and hardly the same as 'nothing will come of it' and certainly not the same as 'there is nothing to worry about.'[/quote]

Yes, it's true that "nothing will come of it" is not the same as "nothing to worry about" which is why interpreting the VOC moon depends on the question! If you're asking "will I marry Tom" and the Moon is VOC, I'd say the answer is no, even if other indications were otherwise good. It could be the people have every intention of getting married, but something will happen to upset their plans and the wedding won't take place. Or if it does, it might end just as unexpectedly with an annulment, which legally "voids" the marriage. It's here where Barbara Watters doesn't go further in even attempting a delineation. As she says, "A chart with a VOC Moon is unscrutable. Don't try to find the answer."

Watters says the Moon rules function and without its intercession, things don't go forward (handsomely or otherwise).

And that's what I've noticed in charts with the Moon VOC time and time again.

Hi HQ

Keep us informed.

Since this thread seems to be more interested in VOC moon I think I'll just leave it there if you don't mind. Thanks for your interest.

Sungem,

It is the nature of forums such as this that threads will go all over the place. Those who have posted have not ignored your issues about this chart but have perhaps gone off on tangents. But I am having a hard time following your reasoning for this chart. You've used nearly every house available, most of which I do not understand. For example, you say that Mars rules the 4th and the 9th houses. I presume that you have turned the chart to get this. You then say that she moved interstate to take the position, both 9th house matters. Moving interstate is not a 9th house matter, even if you could cross several countries at a similar distance in Europe as you would travel to go interstate in Australia. And I wouldn't use the 9th house for her career even though it is in an institute of higher learning. She is an administrator and the 10th should probably be used.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but it appears that the real issue here is how this trouble with the ED will affect you and your role at work. In that case, I would have kept it simple and asked something along the lines of 'Will the situation with the ED continue to affect my work?' Simple question with clear significators. Your significators would be Mars as ruler of the ascendant, angular on the 7th house cusp, the Sun as ruler of the 10th house and in the 12th house, and, of course the Moon in the 5th house and in an applying sextile to Mars. I'm very much of the Ockham's Razor approach in that there is no point in needlessly complicating things. I'd be curious as to what Saturn represents given that it is conjunct the Mc and is in very strong mutual reception with the Sun (your job if you read the chart that way).

Hi Sue

It is the nature of forums such as this that threads will go all over the place. Those who have posted have not ignored your issues about this chart but have perhaps gone off on tangents.

Jeepers! I am aware that threads can often contain 2 or 3 subjects. I did not feel ignored and acknowledged the help I received. However I too felt I had over-complicated the chart and didn't have anything more to add so thought I would "go with the flow". Apparently I backed out less graciously than intended!

For example, you say that Mars rules the 4th and the 9th houses.

I was actually just using this as an illustration. But leaving that aside, your comment that moving interstate is not a 9th house matter is a bit confusing because I wouldn't normally consider a move of 1000kms or more to be "local or neighbourhood" travel and I actually did use the 10th to represent her job.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but it appears that the real issue here is how this trouble with the ED will affect you and your role at work.

I'm sorry but this is incorrect. I had heard the rumour and knew about the first manager's meeting. When I heard they had called a second meeting the thoughts percolated and I asked the question. I really don't belong in it as you previously pointed out. In fact I think it got unnecessarily complicated because I tried to take the managers into account.

I'm very much of the Ockham's Razor approach in that there is no point in needlessly complicating things.

I agree - and I really should have just assigned the ED the Asc and all significators and looked at the 10th - the question is probably better rephrased as "Is her job secure". Under these circumstances it gets much clearer (and pretty "sick") - but I'm not doing it again!!

As always I'm learning a lot - including VOC moon, but I also realised I probably wouldn't be able to post an answer to this question for some time, if anything does happen I'll update. Sorry for the confusion.

cheers,
Sungem

your comment that moving interstate is not a 9th house matter is a bit confusing because I wouldn't normally consider a move of 1000kms or more to be "local or neighbourhood" travel

I realise you did not include her move in your delineation but merely mentioned it in passing. But the 3rd and 9th houses relate to journeys and she didn't make a journey, she moved house. If the question involved a move, I would have used the 7th house as the property of the intended move.
But in regard to the 3rd/9th house issue, the distance is irrelevant. Australia is a big country and to get anywhere we have to travel long distances. But it is still within the country. It would take me much longer to get to Perth (Australia) than it would to get to New Zealand (another country and over water). Lilly classifies inland journeys as 3rd house and those over seas as 9th house. I remember reading something some time ago about hellenistic beliefs that said most inland journeys were considered 3rd house and 9th house journeys were those where they travelled to consult the oracle (which is a 9th house issue). So the issue seemed to involve the reason for travel. I can't remember the details clearly but that was the basic gist.
Demetra George, in a lecture I went to a couple of years ago, explained it in terms of the luminaries. The Moon has its joy in the 3rd house and only takes one month to do a cycle. Therefore, the 3rd house represents short journeys. The Sun, however, that has its joy in the 9th house, takes a year, therefore the 9th house represents long journeys. But, of course, this all depends on what is a short journey and what is a long journey.
Lee Lehman gives the 3rd house to any journey that is familiar, regardless of whether it is overseas or not. She mentioned a European country she spends a lot of time in, can't remember which one, where she feels at home. She knows the local neighbourhood because she has been there so many times before. She said this would be 3rd house. However, she would give the 9th house to a city 100 kms away from her own home in the US if she had never been there before. I don't agree with this reasoning.I would probably stick with 3rd house journeys as being within my country and 9th house as those where I need my passport, which is anywhere other than Australia.

But in regard to the 3rd/9th house issue, the distance is irrelevant.
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Lilly classifies inland journeys as 3rd house and those over seas as 9th house.
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I don't agree with this reasoning.I would probably stick with 3rd house journeys as being within my country and 9th house as those where I need my passport, which is anywhere other than Australia.

Thanks for elaborating on this Sue. I have to admit that I have probably given credence to Lehman's interpretation since travel has changed so much since Lilly's day. He could not have forseen the changes made by the advent of air travel, bullet trains and the like. This idea was reinforced somewhat by the references in CA to "a short journey" and on page 195 "By a short Journey I intend, 20, 30 or 40 miles, or so farre from ones home, as he may goe and come in a day, or at lest on the next;" which I took as fitting with the 3rd house neighbourhood idea.

However I see your point about Perth and NZ and this does take into account the changed modes of travel/distance and is probably a valid reinterpretation of the local vs foreign idea.