Hello Therese,

If you are successful in discussing actual techniques on the forum, please let us know. Or open a topic here to review the discussion.

I dont think that would be appropriate here. This is the sidereal forum after all! I very much doubt there would be sufficient support to do this on the Indian forum either. The overall atmosphere there would be too disapproving and I wouldn't want every chart discussion to turn into some tropical vs sidereal debate. You have already made your opposition clear and I know Martin Gansten has little time for this kind of approach either. I think for the time being I will concentrate my efforts elsewhere. If I ever become more proficient and continue with this outlook I may post on the General and Nativities forum.

I am really just a beginner in the study of Jyotish. Currently looking at the basics of Shad Bala and the Vargas. Its still an exploration or journey for me. I came to this after studying the contrasting Jyotish approach to Rahu/Ketu and retrograde planets which intrigued me. I have also been very impressed with dasas as a practical predictive tool. However, I have a few stumbling blocks. For example, the conflicting Indian and Hellenistic approaches to planetary friendship. Also hellenistic planetary sect versus Nathonatha Bala. I am perhaps too steeped in a hellenistic outlook to accept Saturn is strong at night or Venus strong in the daytime! This teaching conflicts with the whole idea of planetary sect. If I had to default to either tradition it is certainly hellenistic at present. Its rules always seem to make rational sense to me in a way some of the Jyotish rules just dont. Perhaps that outlook will change with time!

Therese Hamilton wrote:

I am certainly not closed to looking at actual examples of Jyotish techniques in a "foreign" zodiac. However, I have not seen a single working example so far.

Most odd. I can only assume you have been looking in the wrong place because its quite clearly there. There are lots of examples of such practical discussions on Ryan's website: Tropical Vedic Astrology Forum:

http://tropical-vedic-astrology.net/forum/index.php

Please use this link as there is an older inactive version of the site that comes up on a simple google search.

Also I just watched a nice beginners video explaining the basics of temporary friendship/enemy by house.

http://ashevillevedicastrology.wordpress.com/articles/

Check out this video interpreting a basic rasi chart, navamsa and dasamsa of a lawyer as chart example.

http://ashevillevedicastrology.wordpres ... d-dasamsa/

The techniques themselves are standard BPHS so I cant see how an experienced Jyotish practitioner like yourself would learn much from the actual delineation methods.

Obviously, he is a professional trying to make a living through astrology and is selling more in depth materials by mp3 or through his books.

Anyway, I agree this thread has strayed way outside its original focus. Ending up discussing a tropical astrologer on the sidereal forum is somewhat ironic.

I think I have exhausted everything I have to say on this topic for now. It has been an intriguing process researching this topic though as its given me a much better grasp of Indian astrological history in relation to the vexed zodiac ayanamsa question.

Mark

I'll check out the link you posted. I am always open to looking at practical examples. I'm not open to more theoretical discussion, however. My mental energy is very limited these days, so I stay with pragmatic chart work.

I would call the environment here skeptical rather than hostile. Also I deeply respect Martin's education and knowledge, so of course I give weight to his comments. But my own opinion is that Jyotish techniques applied in a tropical zodiac is a very far out idea. But practical examples using actual charts that can be compared to the sidereal? I'll always take a look.


Oh, I would also go with the Hellenistic (and Persian) over Jyotish. So much of Jyotish came from the west, and more often than not it has been badly translated.

I have welcomed your questions, comments and research, Mark, as they've helped to keep the Sidereal and Asian forums alive. It does appear, however, that this particular topic has run its course. Let's see what develops along other topic lines.

Thank you,
Therese

I have posted a question on the Asian forum in reponse to your post, Mark. http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7691 (Tropical Vedic Astrology?)

Therese