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Hitlers chart makes no sense

1 by dragonqueen
Hi
Ive been looking at Hitlers progressions and Transits.The only thing that makes sense are the cycles of Saturn.He was arrested as Saturn entered the dark phase or ASC and elected when Saturn was on IC.
He died with Saturn high in 9th in Cancer,but weak and opposite Moon/J?piter.
But why didnt he manage to enter the arts academy in 1907 and 1908,when J?piter was in Cancer in 9th and then in Leo and Saturn already going high in 6th house?

thanks

2 by OculusTauri
The political elite isn't interested in having their nativities publicly examined, so they might lie about their birth times or even dates (take Josef Stalin, for example). It is known to them that astrology works, so they want to play their cards close to the chest. Ancient Roman emperors sued astrology in public, despite consulting astrologers in private. Plus, we don't know real background information - mainstream media isn't going to offer it to us. They are channels for propaganda, more lies than truth in them.

Just in case, I'm not necessarily trying to raise any conspiracy theories here. I read somewhere in this forum that many politicians (e.g. Tony Blair) nowadays have a crowded 12th house, which is traditionally known as the house of secrets, lies, conspiracies. Compare the charts of modern politicians with those of the noblemen and rulers of the 17th century, as given by Gadbury ("collectio geniturarum") or Partridge. The nativities of supposedly high-ranked politicians nowadays don't look "regal" or kingly at all.

Either the birth charts of these modern politicians aren't their real ones, or they are playing games with the public, as puppet regiment. I mean, if astrology shows us the "objective" truth and there's some conspiracy going on, this has to be reflected somewhere in the chart. Why aren't the charts of modern politicians "regal", and why is their 12th house so crowded? Evil to him who evil thinks...
As above, so below (Hermes Trismegistos)

4 by OculusTauri
Hitler's chart might have Rodden's AA rating, but this isn't guarantee that the data is correct. Who is this "gentleman acquainted with Hitler's sister-in-law"?

If you ask me, Hitler more likely had a Leo ASC with ruler Sun at the MC. Leo as a feral sign fits his loud speeches better than humane Libra. Look at the position of Saturn too, as he is traditional significator of jews/zionists.

However, trying to rectify Hitler's chart is a futile subject for most astrologers, because we aren't insiders or close to politics. This is especially true for modern politics and the politics of the 20th century (World Wars). We simply don't know the true details. For purposes of study I would stick to the nativities of private clients or to those of friends and relatives. Politicians in particular are too distant and inscrutable for us. You might stick to less important celebrities, however, if you like.
As above, so below (Hermes Trismegistos)

6 by OculusTauri
If you are a personal astrologer for ruling class, this is another story. We don't know which chart was used by Krafft. It is quite likely that there are private astrologers consulted by eminent persons, but these astrologers won't discuss their insights in public forums, let alone tell private data to anyone.

There have been many astrological predictions about WW II, some of which certainly proved to be true. However, I haven't met a single astrologer nowadays, making a public prediction about real politics which later proved to be true. Robert Zoller (9/11) might be an exception.
As above, so below (Hermes Trismegistos)

8 by OculusTauri
Wilhelm Wulff might have been personal astrologer to Hitler. But how do you know that he used the chart with Libra ASC and not another one? Vice versa for Krafft. The article in Zenit 11/1933 wasn't written by Wulff.

You can only give sound judgement about politics when you are an insider, i.e. the personal astrologer of some ruler. You need to know real background information, which is not provided by mainstream media.
As above, so below (Hermes Trismegistos)

9 by Wolfgang
As I know, in the book of Wulff, (Tierkreis und Hackenkreuz) at page 247 there is the Horoskope of Hitler with Libra AS, as he used!
May in Internet you will find a english translation.

He was not the personal astrologer of Hitler, he was working for the GESTAPO, special for Schellenberg.

Wolfgang

10 by Deb
We have an English translation of that book on this site, Wolfgang, and the chart you refer to is on this link:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/wulff2.html

Incidentally, Hitler's chart makes a lot of sense to me.

The opening argument was - "why didnt he manage to enter the arts academy in 1907 and 1908,when J?piter was in Cancer in 9th and then in Leo and Saturn already going high in 6th house?".
Why should we doubt a chart, just because something someone might think should have happened didn't? But I'm not sure what the comment "Saturn already going high in the 6th house" means.

Re: Hitlers chart makes no sense

11 by pankajdubey
dragonqueen wrote:Hi
Ive been looking at Hitlers progressions and Transits.The only thing that makes sense are the cycles of Saturn.He was arrested as Saturn entered the dark phase or ASC and elected when Saturn was on IC.
He died with Saturn high in 9th in Cancer,but weak and opposite Moon/J?piter.
But why didnt he manage to enter the arts academy in 1907 and 1908,when J?piter was in Cancer in 9th and then in Leo and Saturn already going high in 6th house?

thanks
But then he was able to acquire(looted) the best art in the world by the time of the third Jupiter cycle.
The natal Jupiter is in fall with South node- does it get worse than that.

So he got the art the way jupiter could deliver it.


PD

12 by dragonqueen
Deb wrote:We have an English translation of that book on this site, Wolfgang, and the chart you refer to is on this link:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/wulff2.html

Incidentally, Hitler's chart makes a lot of sense to me.

The opening argument was - "why didnt he manage to enter the arts academy in 1907 and 1908,when J?piter was in Cancer in 9th and then in Leo and Saturn already going high in 6th house?".
Why should we doubt a chart, just because something someone might think should have happened didn't? But I'm not sure what the comment "Saturn already going high in the 6th house" means.
Hi Deb
It is a concept from Grant Lewi.When Saturn goes from 1 to 3rd house it is in obscure phase.Then it begans to rise again and when it reaches 7 the peson gains more visibility.
J?piter had some evil aspects in 1907-08
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