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13 by Becca
Say whaaa...:shock: you mean my maths aint right?

Okay. Scratch that, James.

At age 51, he was in a 4thH profected year.

Depending on which house system we use, things shift slighty. But as is, the profected Asc Lord of the Year looks to be Venus which seems to hand over to Jupiter located on the Naal 4thH/5thH cusp.

The profected LOY, Venus, is on the profected 11thH/12thH cusp, also the Lord of the 7thH/8thH cusp and metaphorically 'burnt up' and 'overwhelmed' by the Sun via combustion. While Jupiter disposes of Mars which lies on the profected 9thH/10thH cusp, concurrently the Lord of the 6thH/7thH cusp of 'open enemies'(the 'netmesis', which was supposedly a male speeding on the high way through an amber light).

That's it in a nutshell, but I can elaborate furher if you are curious.

14 by lucas_Barreto
Hello all! I?m a huge fan of profections because of how I?ve noticed them working particularly in my life, but I do tug at them a little differently than most. For starters I go with valens where I place more value in profections for a planet placed in a profected house, rather than the ruler. When we have multiple planets (as of now) I consider all of them as relevant for that year. The second point that I greatly consider are planetary applications, and translation of light. I noted in my life that the tight lunar separation from my mercury and application to my venus resulted in my venus having great participation in my mercury ruled profections. I am currently living the effects of that translation as a matter of fact. So I TOTALLY agree with the idea that applications are a form of handing over of dignity, and the planet which receives the aspect has the power to direct the matters of the applying planet.

So in this case, we have venus and mercury being activated by profection keeping in mind venus rules POF and therefore things related to the body. Note Mercury (who recently applied and separated from venus and therefore is carrying its light) is having its own light translated to Saturn by the moon. Mercury, the lord of the 3rd house, tied to a VERY malefic Saturn in Leo (ruler of the 8th) by the moon ( ruler of the ascendant and exaltation of POF) who is placed in the sixth house (which is also 8th from fortune). Not a very promising scenario, this configuration is very indicative of death or near death experiences, which is why this is a year (or this group of years) I would consider as critical.
Next we observe the year lord?s transits: at the time of the accident mercury was transiting natal mars. Venus was transiting natal Saturn and Saturn (exaltation ruler of the 4th) was transiting natal POF. Transiting mars was in the natal 4th. The profected sign of the ascendant.

15 by Tom
As an FYI, Stephen King was a long time resident of Bangor, Maine. The accident occurred in Lovell Maine, a town about 150 miles from Bangor. I have no idea where he spent his 1998 birthday, but 150 miles is not a big difference as far as the angles are concerned.

Portland Maine, his birthplace, is only about 50 miles from Lovell. He is a nationally known celebrity so he could have spent his birthday anywhere, but he was also known as a private man who didn't seek the limelight. I used Lovell, because he was out walking, something a resident would be more likely to do than a visitor.

So unless someone can locate his whereabouts on his 1998 birthday, whether we use the scene of the accident, the birthplace, or Bangor, it will have a negligible effect on the chart.

His natal chart is something else. His reported on the half hour birth time puts the ASC less than ten minutes of arc from the next sign. In other words a clock time of about one minute later, gives Leo rising and a different ruler of the ASC.

Regardless, Mars in the 1998 SR is conjunct Saturn, less than a one-degree orb, in Leo, Saturn's detriment - as good a signature as any for an accident. Mafrs rules the natal MC and the SR ASC - it was a very public event.

Re: stephen king / profections / 1999 accident

16 by AstroNovice
i looked at a number of astrological techniques and think the solar return captures some of the nature of this event the best, although i have no way of knowing where he was at the time of his solar return for 1998 ( his birth date is sept 21st), i am confident that solar returns to a persons birth place work regardless of where the person is at the time of the sr..
hey james_m how did you come to this conclusion? Lately I have become interested again in the topic of relocated solar returns, and I have been debating whether or not they are worth using, as a result I have combed through the skyscript forum for every mention of relocated solar returns and read what people have to say. Generally I get the impression that most of the people on this board prefer to relocate their solar returns, as well as of course, the late morin; however many of the threads I was reading seemed to be a few years old so I don't know what the general consensus is these days. Although I do recall reading somewhere that ben dykes preferred relocating the solar returns when giving readings, however I checked out his site today and it appears that he no longer seems to be emphasizing the importance of the exact location on the date of the solar return. Additionally in the comments on this article:

http://heavenastrolabe.net/relocating-solar-returns/

it is implied that ben dykes changed his mind about relocating for the solar return. Anyways, for me personally from what I have seen, relocating for the solar return chart is not very effective, and whats even more interesting was that as a thought experiment, I relocated all of my solar returns for the past 10 years to a randomly picked city on the other side of the globe and lo and behold, I got more than a few "hits", however of course, this shouldn't be possible since I was never there in that randomly picked city in the first place, thus it must mean that the hits were only a coincidence. That being said this is only my experience, maybe other people here have got more mileage with the technique? Anyways, im curious about your thoughts on the matter
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17 by AstroNovice
About Ben Dykes take on relocation, in his recent translation of Abu Mashar (persian nativities 3) on solar revolutions he (Dykes) seems to be quite definite about not relocating on the same grounds as you? on the other hand i believe the innovation comes from one of Ibn Ezra`s works it`s mentioned in the same book but i coulnd`t tell for sure.
this is the comment that I was talking about in the post above, can anybody with ben dykes translation of abu mashars persian nativities 3 vouch for the above statement?

18 by john
AstroNovice wrote:
About Ben Dykes take on relocation, in his recent translation of Abu Mashar (persian nativities 3) on solar revolutions he (Dykes) seems to be quite definite about not relocating on the same grounds as you? on the other hand i believe the innovation comes from one of Ibn Ezra`s works it`s mentioned in the same book but i coulnd`t tell for sure.
this is the comment that I was talking about in the post above, can anybody with ben dykes translation of abu mashars persian nativities 3 vouch for the above statement?

Hi,

Our local group of astrologers, based in northern England, have been working with non-relocated solar returns for some time. With members having birth charts ranging from the west of Ireland to Bulgaria, the difference in relocation can vary by a complete rising sign.
Our preference, by watching events and themes over a full year, is not to relocate the solar return.

19 by james_m
hi astronovice,

my observation on this is based on (drum roll, lol) - observation..

interestingly enough i think the concept of relocation wasn't really happening way back in abu mashar's time, but i could be mistaken. jb morin was into relocated solar returns, so who knows!

and funny enough i am a strong advocate of relocation with regard to birth charts, but over the course of time i still come back to the relevance of the angles in a birth chart from the birth location.. something about some type of imprint seems to happen. i do look at relocated solar returns, but overall i find the birth location return works very well. like a lot of things in astrology, it is not a slam dunk. i just find natal sr's work better..

in regards to the place of stephen kings accident and where he might have been at the time of his solar return - i believe his summer residence where the accident happened near - is not that far away from his birth location. i don't know this location, or for a fact where he might have been on his birthdate for the year of the accident i gave in this example.. i believe the birth location solar return captures the event astrologically.. i hope this helps..

thanks john for sharing as well!

ps - astronovice if that quote from your 1:51pm post is from me, i can tell you this.. i read the books, and as i happen to be a fan of relocation astrology - was introduced to the idea via jim lewis and his work in this area - i saw nothing to suggest anywhere in any of those persian nativity books the concept of relocation.. this isn't a conclusion they didn't use the technique, but it wasn't seen by my read of the material.

22 by AstroNovice
Larxene wrote:This talk about relocated solar return reminds me of the argument about reversing the zodiac signs when one is born in the southern hemisphere. The jury is out on this, but currently I think a majority do not see the need to reverse it.
just curious, what is your opinion on relocating solar returns?
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