James_M

The time that i have is 05.05 Local time - ASC 05 Cancer 00 - the Sun is just on the horizon at 07cancer17

MC 16Pisces15

- 2nd Cusp 26Cancer01 - Jupiter conjunct Moon at 26Cancer11/41 in the 2nd. - I've only used this because i hear that ISIS has monetary resources of around $2BILLION at their disposal.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... alth-power

EDIT: Looking at the 0505 chart again - i've noticed that the ASC is in Mars' term and the Sun is in Jupiter's term - both Moon and Jupiter being in term of Venus - Mars' dispositer - not good!

thanks nathan,

it seems i have to make the adjustment myself with dst on solar fire at present. i don't have to do that in many places, but it is giving me eet -2 while the addition of dst makes it eet - 3.. i get 5 cancer rising when i do this. i understand your logic, but now i am not so convinced..

No problem James

as i may have mentioned - the times are from social media - which is often more spontaneous than the MSM.

The early prayers time was an educated guess, based on savvy and SM - i shall continue trying to find an accurate time, but as i rather suspect, due to the nature of the very organisation that we are discussing, that might not be possible


However - i think the 5?Cancer ASC chart is worth studying not only for the 2nd house things, but Lord 8 is in the 5th - death is as a game.

Nathan wrote:

The early prayers time was an educated guess, based on savvy and SM - i shall continue trying to find an accurate time, but as i rather suspect, due to the nature of the very organisation that we are discussing, that might not be possible.

The morning prayer for Muslims is called Fajr and starts at dawn and completes before sunrise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr_prayer

Here are local prayer and sunrise times for Ar Raqqah, Syria this week:

http://www.muslimpro.com/Prayer-times-i ... ria-172955

So 5:05 Local time (2:05 GMT) is consistent with someone who had completed their morning prayer before sunrise.

Nathan did you make any more progress on the actual wording of the twitter release? That seems fundamental to clarify if we are going to rely on this time.

I still feel the timing of the video release (whenever it actually was!) may be even more astrologically significant. However, that timing seems lost in a flurry of conflicting reports. I guess we should be grateful for having what we have.

Mark

Mark

I've been trying to find that tweet - here's the user account - good luck! ***GRAPHIC CONTENT*** https://twitter.com/g34_s

I've just had a look at a few videos on YouTube - here's an example - http://youtu.be/IqoMH3d7hU0

This video has been shot in the early morning - you can just see the Sun on the horizon - i think the 05.05am time is about as accurate as we can expect to find, unless there's something more official confirmed.

The news reports that I've read so far have all been published several hours after this event - the news organisations will have you know that they're up-to-the-minute - take it from me, they're not!

Mark

I still feel the timing of the video release (whenever it actually was!) may be even more astrologically significant. However, that timing seems lost in a flurry of conflicting reports. I guess we should be grateful for having what we have.

The title of this video http://youtu.be/NjQNkfn1dEc

Is titled "Tenderness | | joy that was such bliss breakfast at the roundabout on the occasion of the Declaration of the Islamic Caliphate 29-6"

Hello,

A Belgian friend, Marie-Christine Sclifet gave me a link to Robert Hand's Facebook paper on ISIS, where he discuss a different chart. May be it can help solve the actual discussion on Skyscript.

https://www.facebook.com/robert.hand.98 ... 35/?type=1

carriere.francois

if you know how to cut and paste, it would be very helpful, as facebook is not universal and requires a sign in - something some of us are loath to do.. alternatively, you could provide the data as that is what most folks here are interested in. thanks.

James,

Robert Hand's paper is public. Just click the link and you will have access to it.

I am currently in discussion with Robert Hand concerning that chart, i personally don't think it's correct - and i believe he got it from this thread in the first place

thanks Fran?ois!

yes - ditto nathans comments on the validity of the chart. mark and i discussed this privately in the past week too. that chart is no longer valid as i see it.

Here's the video of Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi addressing his followers for the first time in public at Friday Prayers - rather conveniently, there's a clock on the wall.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Mosul.html