Ming, your english is better than many native speakers! Your delineation is quite insightful as well, especially the reconciliation of the couple through the baby by being in the same degree. I too am eager to see what the result was.

Hi, Ninneveh,

Thank you for your inspiration, I am only a student in astrology and english ,and eager to see the result as well.

Cheers

Ming

Ok, I think I can reveal the answer now!

And the answer is - the Querent was NOT pregnant! Voila!

I think that this option got about 0% of your votes . But, don't be discouraged, that is exactly the reason why I posted this chart- I expected this. Hopefully, we'll all learn something valuable from it!

Looking at your posts again, I see that you have mentioned, more or less, everything that needed to be mentioned and so, i won't quote anyone- if we applied the rules, we get an either 50-50 situation or an answer inclining towards a YES. It definitely doesn't look like a straightforward NO, does it!

Since I wasn't the official astrologer but rather an adviser (who generally believed that taking a pregnancy test too early was still a much better option than casting a Honorary chart too early), I had the privilege of remaining neutral and now, I can't show off and say that i knew the correct answer. But, generally, I also thought that it was either a yes or no!

MingWei noticed the trouble with the hour agreement. Generally, I don't follow this rule very strictly and, unless the chart contained more than one sign of warning, I'd keep it. In this particular case, I checked it because I wasn't sure whether the circumstances were healthy enough. But, even this disagreement isn't all that bad- the Ascendant is ruled by Sun whilst the hour is ruled by Mercury and, although the two planets aren't of the same complexity, they both went into the same sign and they're conjunct. Mercury is a very adaptable planet so...I'm not sure if this is a reason enough to dismiss the chart.

Now, onto the most obvious. I have to say that, even with the Moon inside Cancer and with L5 being Jupiter and placed inside the 1st, what instantly attracted my attention was actually a barren sign on the Ascendant. How can a pregnant woman be ruled by Leo? On the other hand, the Sun is conjunct Mercury and Venus inside Libra...it was either an indication of fruitfulness or an indication of a damaging influence cast onto Venus (we discussed this situation above so I won't repeat it).

Most importantly- what can a Moon do from the 12th even when it is essentially strong!?
But, the trouble with this chart is that it contains so many descriptive elements of her current situation (most of them are mentioned in your posts) that it was utterly hard to make a clear distinction between the symbolism referring to her relationship (12th- hidden, passing aspects- separation etc.) and symbolism describing her biological body and its current shape.

Personally, since I'm very inclined to read the symbolism of the Ascendant as one of the most important elements in every chart, I would probably be more inclined towards a NO answer (bareness) but, no, I don't know what i'd do with the rest of the chart if I were to delineate it and deliver the answer to the Querent.

As for the timing - the Querent got her period on Sunday evening, 19th October, a bit sooner than expected and almost 4 full days after the question was asked.

Cheers,

aglaya

Hello, Aglaya

That was a really good case ,from which I can learn much, thank you .

Could I ask you if my description of the querent?s appearance gets any credits?

Best wishes

Ming

Hi Aglaya,

I suspected that this might be a "no," because the chart just looked too perfect. Thank you very much for sharing it - I've seen very few of these charts in the wild, as it were:)

I like getting this wrong, because I learned something: prohibitions work retrospectively as well. This is one of those uncommon charts where we are asking about a past event ("have I conceived?"). Note that the Sun sextiled Jupiter on October 10th, and then the Sun sextiled Mars on Oct. 15th. If the Sun-Jupiter aspect was the more recent, then we'd have conception, but Mars prohibited the Sun-Jupiter contact from manifesting. John Frawley comments on exactly this issue in the pregnancy context in his most recent edition of the Horary Textbook.

Thanks again!

Regards,
Nina

Very cool chart and complex chart indeed! A rule that comes to mind pertinent to this chart is that Saturn rules the 7th house, making the radicality of this chart questionable enough to discourage astrologers from reading it. It especially makes sense when there seems to be valid testimony for either verdict. But it seems the barren ascendant, venus combustion, as well as mars in the 5th sealed the deal.

It was ok for making a mistake when you did practice. William Lilly said in his CA page 184 ?as also, when you judge in this nature of things contingent ,you must measure out the time when they shall happen according to reason , and mix Art and Reason together ,and not too much rely upon the general rules of Art, for Abs the & a Scientia. (From yourself as well as from science) (from David Roell?s notes).

Although Lilly here mentioned only timing ,I thought any horary case results were all base on mixing Art and Reason together,and while it would be easier to judge when you meet the real client.

MingWei wrote: Could I ask you if my description of the querent?s appearance gets any credits?

Sorry, MingWei, for a late reply, I only now see this.

From these hints ,her temperament was combined by Sanguine and Choleric and I imaged she was happy ,friendly ,optimistic, enthusiasm, energy and rapid action but sensitive and cries easily to shed worries and anxieties (page 15-16 of on the Heavenly Spheres ).

She was fresh-faced (who looked like younger than her actual age ), graceful,beautiful, petite , and yellow, smooth hair.

The temperament really is between sanguine and choleric.
She is an energetic person, funny and fun loving, optimistic and deeply sensitive at the same time.
as for the looks, she is quite petite (Mercury reduces the height and makes things smaller) but, her body is nicely shaped and very proportional and so, from a distance, she actually appears much taller than she really is.

The influence of both strong Venus and Mercury are, indeed, interesting in this chart. The Sun suggests a certain amount of glamour and, along with a strong Venus, it isn't hard to guess that she takes good care of her looks. But, whilst Venus could be suggesting a busty, Venusian type of woman, Mercury reduces this effect and, although lovely, she is far from a pin-up model from the 80'es.
She is slim but not skinny.

I would say she is feminine, yes and she definitely wears very feminine wardrobe. She also wears simple but, expensive, large and easy-to-spot pieces of jewelry such as large silver bracelets, very original necklaces, enormously big and shiny, metal (silver?!) earrings (that look quite nice on her to be very honest).
One would expect more gold on her considering that Venus is conjunct Sun.

The hair is not really yellow, dark auburn, more likely but, bare in mind that this is a night chart and that the Sun can actually have this kind of impact- instead of a honey- yellow hair, the hair and skin look as if being exposed to the Sun- she is very dark-tanned.

Hello aglaya,

It's been a few weeks now from the time the querent asked the question. So what happened? Did she get pregnant or not?



Regards,

Larxene Xenohart

Larxene wrote:Hello aglaya,

It's been a few weeks now from the time the querent asked the question. So what happened? Did she get pregnant or not?



Regards,

Larxene Xenohart

Am I lucky enough to meet another dyslectic forum member? )))
I posted the outcome a few weeks ago, it's in the bottom of the previous page, probably hard to spot! The Querent was not pregnant!

Cheers,

aglaya

Hi aglaya,

I don't know if I'm dyslexic, or just lazy. Thanks for the answer.



Larxene Xenohart

Hello, Aglaya

Thank you ! From this case I have learnt a lot of useful and interesting points .

First all, for the radix of a horary case .

(1) Planetary hour ( I was agree with you the mercury?s conjunction with the main significators might indicate the radix)

(2) The physical appearance of querent or questied .

(3) The 12th parts. ( In this case ,the Sun?s 12th parts was in the 11th sign from the ascending one)

But the most interesting and useful point was the barren signs? relation with pregnancy.

It happened I had a similar case with this one .

A Lady asked when she would get pregnant.
While, she didn?t be pregnant so far ( until now) .I talked with her in today morning!


To Larxene

The answer is she didn?t get pregnant.