Hey, folks!

I need help interpreting a question I received from a friend, please.

Yesterday, after one month more or less without talking to her ex-boyfriend, she took the courage and wrote to him on Facebook. He immediately answered and they started to talk.

My friend tells that she thought the conversation was going well, but at the end of it, after saying 'goodbye', he blocked her. She got very angry, wrote him (by SMS now) that he was immature and told him that this was the end, and for him to completely forget her. For her surprise, he reappeared online, just to tell that he would close the doors so she couldn't know and stalk him anymore. Then he blocked her again.

Her question is: Will he come back to talk to me again? Was this our last talk?
My analysis:

She is represented by Mars and the Moon, and he is represented by Venus. I found interesting to see that the female was represented by Mars and the male represented by Venus.

But, anyway. Moon is separating from Venus, maybe showing the recent fight and her decision of 'completely forget me'.

Mars has no aspect to Venus (as the Moon), but Venus is going to be conjunct Mars very soon. Both planets are under Saturn influence, maybe showing the hardships they went through?

Since Venus is approaching Mars, I think that maybe he will contact her back again, but that the conversation may not be all that pleasant.

Please, what do you think and see?

Best Regards

Hey,

I have already mentioned that I am not an expert in horary astrology or, I donno to explain things in detail. But looking at the chart I can see that, This guy can be a womaniser and a psycho. He gets pleasure in torturing her. at the same time he is surely having other women. He will not be stable with anyone. He will try to play with her feelings again. But will not be her forever. He likes to play.

Ask her to forget him and dont go after any guy, it is like insulting herself. I think she must have behaved in an arrogant way which made him retaliate like this. He is humiliating her. So let her be more mature in dealing with men. and leave this guy. Thats it

Hey Astrojunkie,

can you please give the astrological indications you saw to arrive to your conclusions?

Thanks a lot!

Yair Alon wrote:Mars has no aspect to Venus (as the Moon), but Venus is going to be conjunct Mars very soon. Both planets are under Saturn influence, maybe showing the hardships they went through?

Since Venus is approaching Mars, I think that maybe he will contact her back again, but that the conversation may not be all that pleasant.

Please note that Venus it not applying to the conjunction of Mars. Venus is separating from the semisextile of Mars.

No, he will not. The sigs do not apply and the Moon is void. I am curious as to why she'd even want to speak to him if he blocked her... He's obviously bothered by her contact and wants her to stop.

Johannes, maybe I am missing something, but here's how I see it. Semisextiles are not main aspects, and a lot of astrologers don't use them in Horary or Natal charts. Even if you want to do so, as this is a separating aspect, like you said, it indicates something from the past (maybe the rupture between both of them). The next aspect that Venus will do to Mars is indeed that of a conjunction, and this is representing the future (and giving our answer).

StellarTiggy, as I said to Johannes, maybe I am missing something, but I don't understand why you say the sigs are not applying. Besides that, I don't see the Moon as being void, or at least not completely void, if you don't take into account the change of signs. It will make an exact sextile to Saturn.

Yair Alon wrote:Johannes, maybe I am missing something, but here's how I see it. Semisextiles are not main aspects, and a lot of astrologers don't use them in Horary or Natal charts. Even if you want to do so, as this is a separating aspect, like you said, it indicates something from the past (maybe the rupture between both of them). The next aspect that Venus will do to Mars is indeed that of a conjunction, and this is representing the future (and giving our answer).

I say! Thanks for the instructions, Yair Alon!

Yes, you are missing something. Because, if you had ever heard of applications and orbs you would not really consider that Venus could validly approach to the conjunction of Mars beyond every limit of orbs, their distance being nearly a whole sign, i.e. 28 degrees!

Even the Moon could not succeed in translating the light of Venus to Mars because of her (the Moon's) distance to Mars. I say "could" because of the interfering sextile of Saturn.

johannes susato wrote: I say! Thanks for the instructions, Yair Alon!

Yes, you are missing something. Because, if you had ever heard of applications and orbs you would not really consider that Venus could validly approach to the conjunction of Mars beyond evry measurement of of orbs, their distance being nearly a whole sign, i.e. 28 degrees!

Even the Moon could not succeed in translating the light of Venus to Mars because of her ditance to Mars. I say could because of the interfering sextile of Saturn.

Interesting to see that it seems that we have distinct conceptions on Horary Astrology. Of course I have heard about orbs, but as I see it they apply mainly and almost exclusively to Natal charts. In Horary charts, it doesn't matter how far a planet is from another planet, if they are going to aspect, this must be taken into account. The distance is only a symbol of how long it will take for the matter being asked to happen. In this case, for example, it may be indicating that contact will happen, but it will take some time (maybe 28 days, since significatores are 28 degrees apart?).

You brought up an interesting point, and I would like to see how other astrologers in the forum deal with this distance. Thanks for that and for your oppinion, Johannes.

Addition:
Before Venus can succeed in conjoining Mars in Aquarius, she will be frustrated by his escaping from Aquarius into Pisces.

Yair Alon wrote:Interesting to see that it seems that we have distinct conceptions on Horary Astrology. Of course I have heard about orbs, but as I see it they apply mainly and almost exclusively to Natal charts. In Horary charts, it doesn't matter how far a planet is from another planet, if they are going to aspect, this must be taken into account. The distance is only a symbol of how long it will take for the matter being asked to happen. In this case, for example, it may be indicating that contact will happen, but it will take some time (maybe 28 days, since significatores are 28 degrees apart?).

You brought up an interesting point, and I would like to see how other astrologers in the forum deal with this distance. Thanks for that and for your oppinion, Johannes.

Do you have any reference for your opinion? (I assume that it is Frawley(?))

I prefer to stick to the well set rules of tradition, given by Lilly and all the other authorities, which are proven by practice when correctly applied. And that is the real problem: to understand and apply those rules correctly, and to consider the exceptions, not ignoring them.

The first time I saw this approach was not on a very traditionalist source (although not a completely modern one), it was Marion March and Joan McEvers.

Then I started to look for other astrologers using this sistem of 'wide orbs' or analyzing the chart in a more 'dinamic' way rather than static, and this seems to be the case of Frawley and Ibn Ezra.

Can you please enlighten me as to Lilly's view on that? According to him, if the chart of the moment has no applying aspect within the orb this means a 'no'? He doesn't take into account that the aspect will be partile and come to perfection sometime in the future, even if it may take a while?

Best Regards

Horary is very "of the moment." What you see eventually has little impact on this momentary glimpse. You are requesting an answer, not an answer by only after a perfection in 1 or 2 months. Heavens change, minds change, and in 2 months she may ask another question which will show the answer at that moment, where she stands.

This is why I say it's a no, since for the minute this question was asked the answer was no. The significators are disjoint and the Moon eventually going void because Saturn would have moved into Sag. True, there's less than 13 degrees between them so by some definitions it is not void. So let's say it is not void. This has little significance for the answer of the horary. Saturn is not a direct significator. It would show something would happen after some kind of change (Moon goes into Aquarius). Moon does not have dignity in Capricorn nor Aquarius. Whatever may weakly be promised would not materialize in anything of value.