Question: Which House is Abduction?

Draco

Question: Which House is Abduction?

1 by Draco

Hi all,

I have a question for you horary sages out there. Which house would I look to for the theme of 'adbuction', 'kidnap' or the 'whisking away of a person'. I have a hunch that this would be the 8th, but this is only a hunch and I cannot justify this. Am I correct? Would another house be more appropriate? I know that a thief is the 8th but would the thief of a person come under the same house as the thief of an object?

I await your wisdom.

Thanks,

Draco

Draco

2 by Draco

Got it.

The 7th is thieves not the 8th. I always seem to think that somehow, probably because of the emphasis on the 8th's negative aspects. So abduction would be the 7th as it is the theft of a person.

Thanks,

Draco

Sue

3 by Sue

Hi Draco,

Do you have a specific issue in mind? Are you asking what significator one might use for someone who has been kidnapped or perhaps someone who has kidnapped someone? If this was a known abduction with a known assailant I would be inclined to use the 1st house for the victim and the 7th house for the perpetrator. Criminals or fugitives on the run are 7th house. An unknown enemy is usually the 12th house, moving to the 7th when the assailant is known. The house that the significator of the victim is in may give a good indication of what has happened. I would not be surprised, for example, to find them in the twelfth house.

I thought thief was 7th house.

Sue

4 by Sue

Hi Draco,

Seems we posted at the same time. You figured it out for yourself anyway. Not really sure I was going down the 'theft of a person' road but it is an interesting concept.

Draco

5 by Draco

Hi Sue,

If this was a known abduction with a known assailant I would be inclined to use the 1st house for the victim and the 7th house for the perpetrator.

I was thinking in terms of a person being kidnapped. I think this is why I was considering the 8th house: 1st (victim) from the 7th (abductor). So I would look to the 1st for the abductee, the 7th for abductor and the 8th for the act of abduction itself.

If if the identity of the abductor is unknown, then perhaps the first house would suffice on its own to describe the act: 1st from the 12th. However, then the victim and the act would both have the same significator which is a tad confusing.

Thanks Sue,

Draco

Sue

6 by Sue

I've been thinking that in a case such as this it is possible that we can see the assailant as being represented by the 1st. This is often used in the way that the assailant is the initiator of the event. Of course, this would depend a lot on whether you are asking a horary or using an event chart. In a horary, it would depend a lot on who was asking the question and the relationship to the person. In an event chart, I think perhaps we should consider the assailant as the lord of the 1st and the abductee as lord of the 7th. The 12th (and its ruler) may be interesting to look at if the situation warrants it as it is the house of captivity.