astrocorreia wrote:

Good idea.Even better than whole sign houses the Vehlow system explains the Gauguelin effect after the angles. Once again,thanks for thelink

Yes. A point that I have noted on the forum before is that only three orhodox house systems-whole sign, Sripati and Vehlow-Raman can remotely, explan the apparent paradox of the prominence of planets well above the ASC in the Gauguelin research. Statistically, though it evens out between Vehlow-Raman and WSH.

But i do digress.....

Mark

Mark wrote: I retain an open mind either way. But I think this will only be resolved when someone who reads French and/or German reports back here.

I know you would take particular satisfaction if it turns out Krafft was using midpoints!
Mark

hi mark,

i keep an open mind on this too. i would be surprised if he didn't use midpoints at some point in his career.. whether it formed some of the basis for his prediction - we may never know as it might not have been articulated in any book..

here is an interesting translated link which among other things points out krafft making a connection with uranus and aries..

http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl ... rev=search

i thought i would toss this out as well..

i was looking at the solar return for 1939 (back when i looked at the solar eclipse data).. much of the solar return data strongly supports the prediction krafft made..

whether solar returns were something krafft was using, i would be especially curious as well..


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Thanks James,

I am initially very struck by SR Uranus on his natal ASC ruler Venus and his natal Mars.

Also that powerful SR Mars (lord 7) exalted in Capricorn on the natal nodal axis. The Moon in the SR chart is in the radix 8th on the fixed star Algol. Is starting a world war 'losing your head'? Seems quite apt here!

Mark

thanks mark,

yes, all of that and the connection to algol i hadn't thought of too!

i also note the ascendant at 13 scorpio exactly square natal saturn, while sr saturn is fairly closely conjunction the descendant in the natal.. the sr chart puts a real emphasis on saturn and mars to an extent by being square/opposite the angles. i would include sr mars on the natal south node as a part of this as well..

i tend to think the use of nodal axis was something krafft would have included. in wittes book on planetary pictures, aside from also including the use of the aries point, there seems to have been strong emphasis of the nodal axis.. by the time ebertin comes out with cosi, use of the aries point in the midpoint pictures is dropped, but midpoints including the nodal axis continue.. it is more conjecture on my part, but i think it likely the nodal axis data would have been examined and factored into any prediction..

James_m wrote:

yes, all of that and the connection to algol i hadn't thought of too! i also note the ascendant at 13 scorpio exactly square natal saturn, while sr saturn is fairly closely conjunction the descendant in the natal.. the sr chart puts a real emphasis on saturn and mars to an extent by being square/opposite the angles. i would include sr mars on the natal south node as a part of this as well..

Good points. This chart just gives and gives!

In the SR chart an exalted Venus (his natal ASC ruler) is trine the radix MC. SR Jupiter is dignified in Pisces and also trine the natal MC.

i tend to think the use of nodal axis was something krafft would have included. in wittes book on planetary pictures, aside from also including the use of the aries point, there seems to have been strong emphasis of the nodal axis.. by the time ebertin comes out with cosi, use of the aries point in the midpoint pictures is dropped, but midpoints including the nodal axis continue.. it is more conjecture on my part, but i think it likely the nodal axis data would have been examined and factored into any prediction..

Ok. I think its only fair to point out that orthodox astrologers long before The Hamburg school/Cosmobiology took a lot of interest in nodal connections too!

Mark

hi mark,

that is true about the use of the nodes. they have been a dumb point in my astro understanding up until a few years ago. i have largely overlooked the use of them, but a few different events helped to change my view on that..

how do you view a profected jupiter in this chart in connection with the natal jupiter being in cap, conjunct a moon in cap - both planets in their fall? my understanding on this is that the year is not a good one given the natal placement of jupiter here.. i am not sure how much it is offset by the position of jupiter in pisces, or conjunct venus also in pisces in the 5th in the solar return, but landing in the 6th in the natal..

I found this link:http://www.hitlerastrologer.com/

In 1933, when Hitler came to power in Germany, Krafft correctly predicted that another world war would come to Germany in the fall of 1939. The May 10, 1941 flight Rudolf Hess made to Scotland to negotiate peace with England was influenced by another of Krafft?s 1933 predictions - that if Germany and England had not made peace by June 1941 - the tide of the war would then go against Germany.

Apparently he also predicted the end of the war in spring of 1945 without saying who would win or loose.

When clicking on the link: "about the author" and scrolling down there is paper from the author which gives further information about Krafft (page 12). I think i am going to get the ebook and see if he gives details about Kraffts methods.

I`d like to see Kraft`s original war predictions.
Do you know if he published them in a newspaper,or in his book Treaty of astrobiology?
Poor Hess couldn`t explain to the British that he flew to Britain on account of an Astrological prediction.
thanks

astrocorreia wrote:I`d like to see Kraft`s original war predictions.
Do you know if he published them in a newspaper,or in his book Treaty of astrobiology?
Poor Hess couldn`t explain to the British that he flew to Britain on account of an Astrological prediction.
thanks

I just ordered the ebook. Maybe I can answer your question after reading it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6n8nKr ... e&t=23m15s

It wasn`t only Kraft.
See 23:15 Elsbeth Ebertin predicted his ascent

I have read the ebook now. It's a looong novel with hardly any detailed astrological information in it. Bored me to death but anyway....a few informations could be useful for us if they are true. I contacted the author and first he promised to answer the questions only later to never to be heard of again without fullfilling the promise.

Kraffts prediction about the attack on Hitlers life supposed to be in a letter to the Reichssicherheitshauptsamt on the 2nd of November 1939. Hitler did get to see the letter only after it happened.
I doubt that Krafft gave any astrological details in the letter but could be wrong about that of course.

The other predictions about Germany entering a war in Sept. 1939, the need to make peace with England by June of 1941, the end of the war in spring 1945 etc. are supposed to have been published in Zenit, Zentralblatt f?r astrologische Forschung, publisher Hubert Korsch in 1933 in an article about Germany's future.
Zenit was a monthly publication and I don't know in which month the predictions supposed to have been published.

Regarding the predictions of Elsbeth Ebertin I have a liitle doubt if they really were so miraculous because I read somewhere that she said:

He is also destined to sacrifice himself for the German
nation, even in the matter of life and death, for he has been
significantly marked by courage in his past.

How did she know that he has been courageous in the past? Only by looking at the chart or did she knew his history?
Hitlers chart was given to her by a supporter of him and I reckon that she did know who Hitlers was. To tell an supporter that the admired person will play a big role isn't such an off thing to do. Just my 2cents here.