25 by amymaddalozzo There are several things that jump out about Trump's chart: Solar Arc Uranus is squaring natal MC--at the same time, transiting Uranus is starting to aspect his natal venus, the ruler of his 10th house. That tells me some big surprise. Also, solar arc pluto is starting to conjunct natal pluto while transiting Jupiter will enter libra soon. maybe Trump will be surprised and VERY GLAD that he did not win-we will find out AMY Quote Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:05 pm
26 by Therese Hamilton James wrote: It would appear your charts here rely on a specific birth time for hillary, when their is no guarantee on the validity of the chart... This can be true from from the point of view of others. As I wrote on the Sidereal section of Skyscript, I prefer the time used by K.N. Rao, currently India's foremost research astrologer. Rao uses only concrete facts in his astrological work, and of course, we can take his work or leave it as we choose. But leaving Hillary out of the picture, the Ennead chart I posted for Donald Trump isn't a winning chart. I looked at the birth certificate posted on-line for Trump, and it certainly appears to be valid. I was born in the same time frame as Trump, and birth certificates in the U.S. had a black background (due to the copying method used) like Trump's in that time period. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:26 pm
27 by amymaddalozzo I think the astrology could indicate that he might he surprised that he did not win but actually glad. Trump I think went into this election with an ego thing to prove he could do it. In the US, once you get the nomination, you have access to classified intelligence briefs which Members of congress and the president get. He will realize how damn bad and complex things are and he really will not want the job. I think it is down hill from here for trump. Amy Quote Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:54 pm
28 by Therese Hamilton Amy wrote: I think the astrology could indicate that he might he surprised that he did not win but actually glad. Trump I think went into this election with an ego thing to prove he could do it. This has been said in different ways by various sources in recent months: that Donald Trump enjoys the challenge of running for president, but in no way would he want the restricted life of being president. Then we have to ask if predictive techniques show the actual fact of losing (Saturn) or his relief at not being president (Jupiter). In modern times this is a question for western astrology as India's astrology deals with facts rather than psychology. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:45 pm
29 by Therese Hamilton One of the helpful aspects of Donald Trump's birth time as given is that the tropical and sidereal ascendants are the same sign, Leo. So with equal house cusps (and maybe with other house system cusps as well) the same planets rule the same houses of the birth chart. The time given for Trump's official selection as the Republican party candidate for the 2016 presidential election is 7:14 (19:14) EDT on July 19 in Cleveland, Ohio. Whether or not this time says anything about election results, this momentous moment in time has to be extremely significant for Donald Trump. It is the pinnacle of his campaign battle with the Republican party, and he has emerged the victor amidst continuing dissent. As such, it's interesting to look at the transits to his natal chart at that precise moment. As Trump is now 70 years old, it's possible to compare transits in light of precession and non-precession. This moment came at the full Moon in Capricorn, which means this configuration falls on Trump's Saturn-Venus in the 12th house area in Cancer. There are two close aspects in effect at this time: Sun semi-sextile natal Mars on the ascendant and transiting Mercury conjunct natal Pluto (tropical and Krishnamurti): Tropical 26Leo47 Mars natal 27Cnc41 Sun transit (orb 54') Sidereal 3Leo46 Mars natal 3Cnc42 Sun transit (orb 4') Tropical 10Leo03 Pluto natal 11Leo35 Mercury transit (orb 1? 32') Sidereal 17Cnc02 Pluto natal 17Cnc36 Mercury transit (orb 34') We can also look at the position of the Moon making its closest aspect to Venus, natal 10th house lord (aside from the quincunx to natal Mars): Tropical 25Cnc44 Venus natal 27Cap50 Moon transit (orb 2? 6') Sidereal 2Cnc44 Venus natal 3Cap50 Moon transit (orb 1? 6) The transit of Mercury to natal Pluto also falls in Trump's 12th house. It may be comparisons like this that convinced Robert Hand, Marc Penfield and others to remove precession when calculating solar returns. Others may view these small differences as insignificant, but the difference is large in solar return charts. Oh, I also just noticed this MC connection: Tropical 26Lib55 Event MC 25Cnc44 Venus natal (10th lord) natal (orb 1? 11') Sidereal 2Lib56 Event MC 2Cnc44 Venus natal (10th lord) natal (orb 12') EDIT: Thursday evening I should have set up an aspects graph. This evening I noted another hit that I missed: Tropical 24Sco22 IC natal 25Sco39 Mars transit (orb 1? 17') Sidereal 1Sco21 IC natal 1Sco40 Mars transit (orb 19') Last edited by Therese Hamilton on Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:37 am, edited 3 times in total. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:14 pm
30 by james_m Therese Hamilton wrote:Rao uses only concrete facts in his astrological work, and of course, we can take his work or leave it as we choose. does he have a birth certificate for hillary? if not - he or anyone else can say whatever they want to say and that is a fact too.. doesn't mean it is factually true, just a fact.. Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:01 am
31 by Therese Hamilton James wrote: does he have a birth certificate for hillary? if not - he or anyone else can say whatever they want to say and that is a fact too.. doesn't mean it is factually true, just a fact.. K.N. Rao uses meticulous methods in testing charts. But India isn't America or Europe. There are strange goings-on in India, unusual psychic perceptions. The birth time Rao uses came originally from Sri Karve and his psychic-spiritual sources as I wrote about in my original post on the Sidereal part of Skyscript. As reported, many times a day Sri Karve stops his activities to engage in worshipful prayer including raising his hands in prayer to the earth and sky while repeating mantras and prayers. The boon for his devotion apparently manifests in drawing correct birth times from astral sources. Perhaps this is a family legacy. I don't know. As K.N. Rao's research published now in many books, you can take Sri Karve's word on birth times or leave it. No one is forcing you or anyone else to believe his statements. Karve's purported birth time for Hillary Clinton checks out. Instead of attempting to start an argument, why not use past events to check the data for yourself using whatever methods you prefer? http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 12:19 am
32 by Therese Hamilton Donald Trump accepted the Republican nomination for president at 10:20 p.m. EDT (10:19:38 to be exact) on Thursday, 21 July 2016 in Cleveland Ohio. I had the television on and a clock tuned to official NIST US Time. Based on the number of close aspects to Trump's natal chart, the Selection chart is more significant than the time of acceptance (A and S = separating or applying). Aspects are from a Solar Fire synastry list and grid. Sidereal Aspects (precession removed), Selection 04' S: Tr Moon quincunx natal Mars 05' A: Tr Sun semi-sextile natal Mars 12' A: Tr MC square natal Venus (10th lord) 19' S: Tr Mars conj natal IC 20' A: Tr Uranus square natal Saturn 20' A: Tr Venus semi-sextile Mercury Sidereal Aspects (precession removed), Acceptance 17' A: Tr Moon quincunx natal Venus (10th lord) 19' A: Tr Uranus square natal Saturn 20' A: Tr Saturn quincunx Mercury These are all the aspects under a 20' orb. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 4:37 am
33 by Mark Data Update: Donald Trump began his acceptance speech for the Republican party Presidential nomination at (approx) 22:18:50 local time, Cleveland, Ohio. on July 21st, 2016. He said that he accepted the nomination at 22:19:15 on July 21st 2016. Mark Last edited by Mark on Fri Jul 29, 2016 4:02 am, edited 5 times in total. As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:11 am
34 by Mark Because so many astrologers are leaning towards a Clinton victory I thought I would share some comments from the American mundane astrologer Theodore White who seems to be leaning towards a Trump victory. His initial forecast seems to rely heavily on secondary progressions, fixed stars and the fact Mars will be out of bounds. Also the fact Trump's SP Moon will be out of bounds. I imagine Theodore White has other arguments too but I thought this was worth sharing. Election 2016: 'Donald Trump Accepts Republican Nomination For President' His Secondary Progressions with Fixed Stars Analysis by Theodore White, mundane Astrolog.sci When looking at any individual's astrological aspects, especially advanced in life, it is best to cast and then analyze the secondary progressions. All too often, astrologers who are looking at candidates for high office, like Donald Trump, will only look at the nativity and far too often base their interpretations on the natal horoscope without the use of progressions. There is also a high degree of bias when some astrologers desire to make predictions on the rise and/or fall of candidates. Donald Trump has been the poster boy for many attacks with his nativity used as a vehicle to do just that. However, any views and/or predictions will not yield insight or fruit with the noise of preference and/or bias. The astrologer will learn nothing in the end. All nativities must be read with the eyes and mind of detachment and objectivity, to ascertain what the karmic destiny of the native truly is and how their progressions will lead to them either meeting that destiny, or transcending it by means of their willpower and spirit. Astrology is built on the foundation of Progressions, and this is so because all things are in motion, therefore, any nativity must be progressed to ascertain anything an astrologer will want to look at and interpret accurately. It is important to observe that that does not simply foreshadow events that are seen as inevitable. What an astrologer must understand is that nativities and their progressions map thought-cell activities of the native, which influence the thoughts and behavior on the individual, and impress onto their surroundings as well. It exerts extra-physical power on the environment in such a way as to make certain events probable. The job of the advanced astrologer is to help, through guidance, the process of elimination, that is, to reduce any negative probable events - the periods when one or more of them will happen - to as few alternatives as possible to either insure success, or to avert disaster. Donald Trump is 70 solar years of age, and from the base of his nativity (which shows karmic destiny) we have to progress the natal chart to the present. This can be done for the future as well. Attached are Donald Trump's nativity and his progressions as of Thursday, July 21, 2016, when he accepted the Republican nomination for president of the United States in Cleveland, Ohio. To see the charts, click on them, then go to 'options,' and then 'enter Full Screen' for a better view. I do not use white backgrounds on my horoscopes, but rather a dark background that simulates the night skies when we can see the transiting planets amid the background of the fixed stars. There are two (2) charts, both progressed, of the same date for Cleveland, Ohio, July 21, 2016 when Trump became the GOP nominee in his acceptance speech. One chart has his progressions with fixed stars, and the other progressed chart has all the fixed stars. I added his nativity as well, with fixed stars. We look at Trump's progressed 10th House, this is what he has been striving for, and it represents the White House, executive authority. Trump has four progressed bodies in his progressed 10th House: Progressed Sun at 29-Leo Progressed Mercury conjunct Pluto at 11-Leo Progressed Saturn - at 2-Leo. Trump's progressed Moon has been in tropical Cancer, and is now located at the 18th degree of that Sign, in his 9th Progressed House. This progressed Moon is in a 'new moon' phase to Trump's natal Gemini Sun and in a last quarter phase to his progressed Sun at the anaretic degree of 29-Leo. Trump's progressed Moon in the northern sign of tropical Cancer is also an out-of-bounds Moon. It is parallel to Trump's progressed Pluto in Leo in 2016 and into 2017. Out-of-bounds planets by declination are a part of my astrological tool-kit that I use when forecasting. Observe that when the Sun transits the zodiac on the ecliptic, that it reaches a maximum northern declination of 23 North 28' which occurs at the tropic of Cancer. This is called the summer solstice in the northern hemisphere. Now, the Sun attains maximum southern declination at 23 South 28 at the tropic of Capricorn on the winter solstice in the northern hemisphere. What is known as 'declination' is measured by the Earth?s tilt on its axis as it orbits the Sun. The planets transit within that band of degrees, by northern and southern declination. So a planet is considered 'out-of-bounds' when it goes beyond the ecliptic, that is, beyond 23?28? to the north or south. In applied astrology, an 'out-of-bounds' planet is said to not be under the guidance of the Sun and as such will deviate from normal behavior. The unconventional and unusual behavior pf the out-of-bounds planet can act as an agent of its on via a talent, and at the same time mix with behaviors that can be viewed as 'outside' the norm, that is, seen as radical newcomer and/or genius maverick. A out-of-bounds Progressed Moon will essentially feel free from previous restrictions to fully act on what had been previously experienced as constraining circumstances. I am not surprised to see an out-of-bounds Progressed Moon in Donald Trump's progressions at this time in his life, and we can see the results that have led him to a kind of superstardom within the public imagination while being seen as an 'outsider maverick' within the mainstream Republican Party. The issue for Trump will be when his progressed Moon returns in-bounds, and it will do so inside of his 10th Progressed House. Trump's progressed Sun is conjoined to the fixed star Regulus when his progressed Sun makes ingress into tropical Virgo on August 6, 2016. Curiously, Trump's Progressed Moon will enter tropical Leo almost on the day that the transiting Lunar Nodes enter the Leo/Aquarius axis on May 9-10, 2017. This is one of many confirmations that Trump could indeed become the 45th president of the United States. Moreover, Trump's progressed Jupiter has reached his progressed Ascendant and is conjoined to the stars Spica and Arcturus, both stars are strongly associated with Washington DC and the White House, as is the fixed star Regulus, which Trump's progressed Sun is conjoined. Jupiter is well known with propelling people into high office and prominence and with a progressed Saturn already posited in the progressed 10th House, there are very strong pointers to Trump becoming president - suddenly surprising the world. There is a train of progressed planets rising from the progressed Ascendant - led by Neptune, then followed by his progressed Mars in Libra, Venus, in Libra, Chiron in Libra, Jupiter, and then Juno in Libra. Transiting Jupiter will enter tropical Libra in September 2016, and so Trump will experience his Jupiter Return in December 2016. Trump has also been receiving strong air trines from his Uranus in Gemini, located now in his progressed 8th House, and conjoined to his progressed North Lunar Node, also in tropical Gemini. Open-minded and receptive to new ideas, this progression by air trines can bring about long-awaited opportunities to express unique individual genius or talent. The positive octave to this shows willingness to express generosity and broadmindedness toward people in all walks of life. His progressed Saturn at 2-degrees tropical Leo and positioned inside his progressed 10th House show increased responsibilities and ambition for career position and status. Those with a progressed Saturn in the 10th house often achieve a peak of professional achievement while assuming a position of administrative responsibility and leadership. I have also seen in my experience as an astrologer that a progressed Saturn in his position often shows conservative professional concerned with political security and status. Trump's progressed Saturn is gradually applying to a sextile aspect to his Neptune in Libra, which shows that he often using intuitive insights in how to conduct business and professional affairs. The aspect does help to steady the mind to make deeper levels of concentration possible. it includes the faculty of creative imagination is put to effectively use in tapping deep resources of the memory. Trump's progressed Mercury-Pluto conjunction is more concerning as the individual will become privy to penetrating insights while at the same time make irrevocable decisions related to communications, investigations involving finances, corporate monies, insurance, taxes and goods of the dead. The Mercury-Pluto conjunction in Leo in the progressed 10th House can show a chief of state who has to balance uncompromising adherence to personal ideas and viewpoints with being open to broadmindedness and practical and expansive thinking. The fixed stars near to Trump's natal and progressed positions show a global reach that will be both expansive and also sharp reflecting his progressed Mercury-Pluto conjunction in Leo marked by his progressed Saturn in Leo, and his progressed Virgo Sun. There is a predominance of the 'air element' in Trump's progressions, followed second by the 'fire' element, then the earth element and lastly, water. Trump's progressed Sun, in 2016, has reached the point of the anaretic degree of his natal Ascendant at 29-Leo. He will experience a total solar eclipse of the Sun near to his natal Ascendant and his natal Mars by mid-August 2017. This presage is for another time soon however, this person was born with this particular destiny, as we have seen achieved to date, yet there are surprises to come that will help to define the waning years of this decade, into the early years of the next decade. ~ Theodore White, mundane Astrolog.Sci As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 11:12 am
35 by yuzuru Does anyone have the exact time of Trump accepting the nomination? Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:32 pm
36 by Mark Yuzuru wrote Does anyone have the exact time of Trump accepting the nomination? Check the post I made this morning on this thread Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:40 pm