This NY Times article just came out on Trump's financial status. It's a liberal newspaper, but reputable. Anyone care to examine's Trump's financial acumen based in his chart and investigative reporting?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

I am in the bar with my girlfriends right now but will interpret the natives morals and virtues according to tradition asap

waybread wrote:This NY Times article just came out on Trump's financial status. It's a liberal newspaper, but reputable. Anyone care to examine's Trump's financial acumen based in his chart and investigative reporting?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Trump's ninth house of ideals is located on the cusp of the ASC and is Mars so I guess that would explain the conceit
Third house of law ruler Venus is corrupted by her conjunction with a delibitated Saturn but in the 11th house of fortune
If you do business in NYK building I suppose it is hard to avoid the mob but I doubt that it troubled Trump too much
His financial acumen one would give to Jupiter by occupation of the second house and in his triplicity. He is in Libra the exaltation of Saturn so one might not surprised to see that property and land were his means of seeking riches

As a well-known rich person one might suppose reputation and money to be linked

I offer no expertise on PD's but I have looked at the dates in the article cited and other dates from his wiki biog where debt issues in his company came to light and using simple direct directions with major planets only with event date first

1990 previous trine SA -> JU then trine Venus -> JU in August

1992 sq MA -> JU in October 1991

Aug 9 2004 Sq JU -> MC

2010 - trine JU ->sn in Nov 2009

2011 SA -> MC in January

November 2012 sextile moon to ASC in March

So, I'll look at this time next

Edited in previous post

Matthew

it has been awfully silent on making 2016 usa presidential elections predictions of late, lol... i think everyone has thrown in the towel and realized that either trump is a master of shooting himself in the foot, or he was paid copious amounts of money to be in the running for hillary... joking aside, i wanted to talk astrology, so here goes...

i was thinking about how important the jupiter/saturn conjunction is in the scheme of things.. it seems ibn ezra ran profections off the conjunction and i even went so far as do to solar returns off the same chart.. that is putting a lot of emphasis on the conjunction chart, which way back when - they really couldn't get the ascendant off it anyway, as they didn't have the latest software program, you name it - to be able to do it.. now us astrologers can skip being mathematicians ( martin and a few others are maybe excluded from this comment) and just get the data off your latest astro program..

since the jupiter/saturn conjunction of 2000, the usa has had all of 2 different people as pres - gw bush and obama.. neither one of them thought to change it so they could be like putin or barzani and just be president indefinitely, but if trump had his way, i am sure he would fix this!! the ju/sa 20 year cycle is in the balsamic phase as i see it.. we have suffered thru the push/pull of the square - jupiter in virgo to saturn in sag, and we are almost at the waning sextile phase with jupiter moving into libra shortly.. what this tells me is that until the new cycle coming in dec 2020 comes, there will be no big surprise or change, but more biz as usual.. things might be falling apart - a last phase of the cycle type thingy, or even have fallen apart (new world order coming circa 2020, lol), but nothing new has started to fix the mess of this last cycle just yet.. more of the same ol' same ol' seems to be implied here.. with this in mind, even a crazy guy like trump gets his few minutes of fame, but the cycle suggests it has to be more of the same - ie hillary for pres...

one of the themes that i think has been borne out of the ju-sa conjunction chart is the incredible growth in technology, info technology - with the charts stellium of planets in gemini, trined by uranus in aq.. the ongoing war on terror since 2001 also seems to be captured with sun/mars/mercury in opp to pluto... but ultimately the conjunction of jupiter and saturn in taurus in the 10th puts an emphasis on resource acquisition and material wealth at the expense of a lot of other possibilities for the people of planet earth.. you know - economics over environment and all that entails.. hopefully the conjunction of these 2 planets in aquarius in 2020 will put greater emphasis on our survival as a collective community (humanity), as opposed to a bunch of selfish little self interested people trying to look after only our own.. i don't see either candidate running at present being suited to this kind of vision, but as i said - more biz as usual, in keeping with the end phase of this ju-sa conjunction cycle..


i considered this ju-sa conjunction chart in relation to the leaders charts, although ironically we don't have a time for hilary clinton, (plenty to choose from) while we did have AA rated adb charts for all the other candidates the past elections from 2000, starting with bush and gore, all the way up til this one..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... l_election

gw bush had venus conjunction the ju-sa conj chart ascendant, while natal saturn is conjunction the north node... gore had mars conj the ju-sa conj chart ascendant, while his north node is conjunct ju-sa saturn...gore has venus in taurus conjunct the ju-sa midheaven.. gw bush has north node in gemin which strengthens his connection to the ju-sa chart.. this is very subjective, but i tend to consider the sun/moon/ascendant and nodal axis as more central to making connections, then the other planets, but after all this, i look at mercury/moon connections. without going into the details - bush seems like a better fit, although some could say gore got more of the popular vote and was cheated out of the win - which i tend to see it as that way myself..

when kerry ran against bush, i mostly remember kerry being pilloried on his armed forces record, which is kind of ironic given how gwbush skipped out of it completely.. regardless, i think the tie in's to kerrys gemini/sag opposition along the opposition in the ju-sa chart involving all the gemini/sag planets was ultimately more unfavourable then what bush had going, in spite of all else.. interestingly dick cheney was considered by many to be calling the shots during much of bushs tenure.. he had a jupiter/saturn conjunction in his natal chart from an earlier era, and certainly looked after his shareholder stake in haliburton too, lol..

obamas chart resonated very well with this ju-sa conjunction chart.. his natal moon on ju-sa chart venus, north node on ju-sa ascendant and a number of other positives - mars/saturn trine both trine the ju-sa conjunction @22 taurus and on and on.. the hopey changey president has had a good double run( just like gw bush), even if folks have mixed feelings/thoughts about his accomplishments.. both mccain in 2008 and romney in 2012 didn't have the astro mojo connecting with this ju-sa conjunction chart.. i could bore you with my rationale for why i see it this way, but if you are curious, i suggest some keen astro student challenge me on this if they see fit!

now lets consider how hillary clinton and donald trumps chart connects to this 2000 ju-sa conjunction chart, bearing in mind i see this as the end phase of the conjunction chart with all that this implies suggesting more of the same as opposed to a new direction being taken..

hillary clintons chart - i am using the 218am chart for the time being as i favour it over the 8 am or 8pm chart, but others can draw their own conclusions using the specific angles.. most of the data i am relying on here doesn't hinge on a specific time.. hillarys jupiter/mercury/venus in on the nodal axis mostly - connects directly with the angles of the ju-sa conjunction chart... so does saturn, which is less attractive, but overall - jupiter opp venus in the ju-sa chart, in combo with north node on the ju-sa midheaven speak favourably to me overall. the water trine involving hillary's mercury/moon connect nicely with the nodal axis.. she will be the first women president for whatever that is worth to the voting public.. the concept of women's emancipation in what continues to be a mans world sells well and is something to embrace.. not sure how having bill at her side sells it all, but apparently it does, lol... lesser of two evils i guess...

trumps ascendant/midheaven is very close to the same as the ju-sa conjunction chart angles.. in many ways trumps chart connects very nicely to the ju-sa conjunction chart, however the same opposition of the lights in gemini/sag in kerrys chart is repeated here in trumps chart, running along the gemini/sag oppositions in the ju-sa conjunction chart.. trumps north node is at 20 gemini, so another tie in with the gemini planets is here as it was in the connection with gw bushs chart to the ju-sa conjunction chart.. actually bush and trump are born approx 22 or 23 days apart... why trumps chart is both good and bad seem to hinge on the strength of his mars on the same angles in both charts.. that seems to be the malefic and net negative that people have witnessed and continue to witness as his campaign continues to falter...

i think hillary clinton will win the election.. how much astro i have used to get to this position might be debatable thru the eyes of what i have written.. i have considered the personal candidates charts too.. mostly i see the end phase of this ju-sa conjunction chart not suggestive of a departure from the same cycle it has been all along and favouring the same ol' same ol' which i think hillary represents more then trump.. she is teh consummate insider working for the same agenda that has been in motion for a long time.. trump might be too, but not near as much politically as i see it.. not sure how much trump would have been able to change anything regardless... but i do believe it will be more of the same with hillary clinton until we reach the dec 21st 2020 jupiter/saturn conjunction which is very close to the following nov 3rd 2020 presidential election from this one..

edit - chart removed..

Great analysis of the election. 2020 is scary. When you read now about what is happening Japan economically, it is scary and the same thing is happening here but more slowly. I am worried about the war issue for 2017-2018. Hillary is much more of a hawk than Obama, which most people do not realize AMY

Deleted reference to 2:18 birth time as I have been led to believe the 8:02 am time because of it's secondary progression with Q2 Mean Quotidian MC aspected by progressed natal Jupiter (conjunct) and Pluto (trine) on election day.

Also added information and reposted original to a later date (Oct 12).

hi bob,

that is interesting your take on the hillary clinton charts to choose from.. thanks... here is the solar return for this coming birthday to her birth location. 24 gemini is very close to where the 10th house uranus ( 25 gemini 56) is located in the 218am chart...


here is the solar return off the same 218am chart for the 2015 solar return chart.. 3 sag is close to her natal jupiter at 0 sag... the venus/jupiter conjunction at 15 virgo is very close to the 218am ascendant which is at 14 virgo 53... when cameron won the previous uk election the north node was transiting close to his ascendant, suggesting stronger leadership abilities being on display, however temporary!



regarding the jupiter-saturn conjunction chart for 2000 and my comments from yesterday... there is a lot i didn't cover, but will add this for now..

this year is a jupiter profected year.. jupiter rules the 5th and 8th houses off this original chart, using whole signs.. below is a solar return off this same 2000 ju-sa conjunction chart.. one will note the midheaven in the solar return chart is on the 8th house moon at 3 aries in the conjunction chart... this emphasis suggests the emphasis on hillary as i read it..

edit - charts removed...

I have been in communication with the astrologer Zayin Julien Cohen

Earlier on this thread Isaac Starkman reported the following regarding Cohen's research into a birth certificate for Hillary Clinton:

In January 2005 the astrologer Zayin Cohen posted the time 2.18 am from the Birth Certificate. In the Noel Tyl's forum and astrodatabank forum he told that he was a former Mossad agent so he knows how to get official documents illegally. At that time I emailed him, but he explained he can't publish the birth certificate because the clerk will be revealed. He is a known astrologer so I don't think that he will earn anything by posting a fictional birth time.
See his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/zayin.cohen
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1000000862/40
Reply #40 (Zayin Cohen)

Zayin wants to correct the time given on the Tyl forum back in 2005. It was incorrectly, reported as 02.18 am but the time he claims to have sourced from Clinton's birth certificate was actually 02.08 am He states he did give the 02.08 am time to Astrodatabank in 2005 but it seems to have got incorrectly entered over there as 02.18 am as a typo!

I just thought this might interest any of you open to exploring a tropical Virgo rising chart for Clinton!

Mark

mark,

thanks for looking into that here!

208am puts the midheaven at 9 gemini - exactly square the nodal axis where neptune also happens to be on - 9 pisces.. it shifts the angles from approx 12-15 mutable, to 10-13 mutable.. it doesn't line up as well with the 2016 solar return with uranus, but still not bad.. however the 2015 sr lines up better to her natal jupiter..

the venus/pluto square solar arc direct better to the midheaven via 135 on the 208am chart.. sa jupiter is in more of a trine to the 208am midheaven as well...

not a huge amount changes... thanks for looking into this.. i can't remember the polaris software rectified time that isaac was last calling for..

James_M wrote:

208am puts the midheaven at 9 gemini - exactly square the nodal axis where neptune also happens to be on - 9 pisces.. it shifts the angles from approx 12-15 mutable, to 10-13 mutable.. it doesn't line up as well with the 2016 solar return with uranus, but still not bad.. however the 2015 sr lines up better to her natal jupiter..

the venus/pluto square solar arc direct better to the midheaven via 135 on the 208am chart.. sa jupiter is in more of a trine to the 208am midheaven as well...

I never studied the original 02.18 time but I am looking at this one.

I have examined several key dates and I was struck by some very close hits by Solar arcs on the angles with this chart time.

Fascinating if this chart was right Clinton had the Mars-Saturn conj in Sagittarius almost exactly to the degree and arc minute on her IC at 09'51 Sag. She does seem to have been having a rather torrid time lately. Her lead in the polls has been shrinking and she continues to be under sustained questions and criticism over the deletion of thousands of emails as Secretary of State. This rather fits into a perception many of the public have already that she is not trustworthy or honest.

Using the 02.08 time she is still in a 9th house profectional year (ruled by her Moon in Pisces) so I expect her difficulties to continue up to her birthday. Another Wikileaks release could knock her poll rating still further. Transiting Saturn is squaring her ASC in this chart and this transit doesn't let up until the last 2-3 weeks before the election. Clinton enters a 10th house profectional year after her birthday. I think she will recover some ground in the last few weeks of the the campaign. This also fits the transiting nodes in Virgo-Pisces squaring her MC-IC degree until later in October.

Solar arc/SP Sun is trine her ASC. Solar arc Jupiter trine her MC. Saturn (Lord 5 & 6) conjunct her Sun although it will not perfect for another year.

Her SA Moon is still in the last degree of Taurus conj the fixed stars of the Pleiades which are of a Mars like nature. It doesn't ingress into Gemini her 10th WSH until early April 2017.

Looked quickly at her next solar return. ASC is in Virgo her 1st natal house using this chart. Although it falls into the 12th house by sign division. Rising degree in her SR chart is squaring her natal MC-IC. The NN quite close to her ASC and her MC conjunct her natal NN. Although square her MC_IC. But the Moon is at 29 Leo in her 12th house. A contradictory series of indicators. (If) this chart is correct I suspect Clinton with probably just pull this off. But this will end up being much closer than many expected just a few weeks ago. The TV debates are going to be crucial.

Tertiary progressed Moon is trine her ASC on election day. Her TP ASC conjunct her sect light (The Moon). TP Sun is sextile her Moon. TP Uranus trine her Sun. TP Mars trine her natal nodes. TP Jupiter in a separating trine to her Sun. TP MC trine her POF. The main fly in the ointment by TP is that Saturn Rx sits right on her ASC. So her problems look like continuing regardless of the election result. It goes stationary in June 2017 but doesn't actually pass over her ASC until November 2018. That could well be set backs in the midterm elections.

Transits on Election day include Sun in a separating conjunction to her natal Venus. Tr Venus opposing her Uranus. Tr Mercury on her SN.

For the inauguration date several transits look fairly good. ASC on her natal NN. Tr Venus conj Clinton's Moon. Moon in Scorpio sextile her ASC and in whole trine to her Moon. Jupiter trine Uranus (although it goes stationary Rx in early February). Tr Mars sextile her NN. On the more challenging transits Saturn is in an applying opposition to Uranus. Mars is also squaring Uranus. Sun is squaring her natal Sun. But this would fit the kind of dramatic change this will bring about in Clinton's life. Overall, this looks like someone having a good day to me. But with that Saturn (lord 6) perfecting its opposition in February I see troubles/conflict ahead later. With concerns expressed over Clinton's health I do wonder if something might come out after the election.

TP ASC is close to her Moon (sect light). The TP MC is opposing Uranus. TP Moon opposing natal Saturn (3 degree orb)

I dont feel I can completely rely on this chart but other non-natal charts I have used make me think Clinton will still prevail despite all her difficulties.

not a huge amount changes... thanks for looking into this.. i can't remember the polaris software rectified time that isaac was last calling for..

The thread must be getting too long! Its on this thread James. 1.55AM. Not based on Zayin Cohen's time but researching the whole day from scratch.

Mark

Mark, thanks for keeping us up to date.

Unless I see better evidence to the contrary, I'm sticking with 8:02 am for Clinton-- on the basis of watching CNN's specials last night, biographies of Trump and Clinton. Clinton began a life-long concern with family law and child welfare starting during her law school days. She was a very involved mother and is now so involved with her grandchildren that she spends time with them daily when she is not traveling.

It is hard to say what else astrologically could account for that focus on children, were it not for a 5th house moon.

Pisces, yes. Which is sufficiently vulnerable that her Scorpio nature dominates her public life: private and extraordinarily controlled.

Astrologers, make of this what you will, but at some point during the biographical program last night on Donald Trump, I "got" that the single most unifying theme in his life is domination and being on top of the heap. This is why he admires Vladimir Putin. Trump has exhibited this tendency throughout his life. Being president would not only be an extension of his Trump's to dominate, but he's projected it onto the US as a whole.

"Make America great again."
"We're not winning anymore."

People who know anything about international economics and foreign policy are floored by his rhetoric. He's not into policy analysis or listening to experts. He's interested in domination.

And for the most part, it has gone well for him (Jupiter quintile MC, for example.)