Goca wrote:
If that is true what Sebastian said, Holland will play all in orange, then by color method Holland is DSC and wins.

So, it was. Uruguay 2 - 3 Holland.

Color method works, method favorite on ASC did not.

Goca wrote:

Goca wrote:
If that is true what Sebastian said, Holland will play all in orange, then by color method Holland is DSC and wins.

So, it was. Uruguay 2 - 3 Holland.

Color method works, method favorite on ASC did not.

Yes, good point. It was a great match anyway, and both teams played wonderful.
Unfortunately for us we are going to play for the 3rd place.

Sebastian

Sebastian wrote: Unfortunately for us we are going to play for the 3rd place.

Sebastian

Are you from Uruguay, sebastian?
Oh, I was really looking forward to watching your national team in the final again after so many years. (It's funny how many people here in europe support Uruguay ). It was a great game, congrats anyway.

aglaya wrote:

Sebastian wrote: Unfortunately for us we are going to play for the 3rd place.

Sebastian

Are you from Uruguay, sebastian?
Oh, I was really looking forward to watching your national team in the final again after so many years. (It's funny how many people here in europe support Uruguay ). It was a great game, congrats anyway.

Thanks Aglaya. Yes I am from Uruguay. I was wishing for playing on Sunday, but I admit I am proud of what the team did this time, ironically mainly for how they played this last match. The one they loose, the best they played. That?s footabll sometimes. This guys leaved their heart on the field today. I will never forget this world cup.

Is strange, how can we sometimes support national teams form other continents. Here sometimes happens in the same way, but mainly between Argeintina and Brazil. I think most of the continent was with Uruguay this evening.

Sebastian



Sebastian

On the beggining I was with Holland (and am with Spain also) cause they never won a World Cup (and I do not wanna see Germany hot on our trail as Italy already is )

But when I saw how bad Holland played, the irregularity on their 2nd goal, and the absolute fighting spirit of Uruguai, I confess I shoulted on their 2nd goal and was praying for a 3rd one, so that they could deliver a final match on sunday worth of the warriors of old ages that they are akin to.

Goca wrote that color method works, method favorite on ASC did not.

My understanding is that one should prefer the method which best suits the symbolism the chart reflects. You can get nearly 100% result if you understand the symbolism of the chart and follow it. I am pretty sure of that.

Anyway color method seems to be working better.

Spain - Germany
July 7, Durban
Kick-off 20:30
ASC 28:55:16 Aquarius, MC 26:27:23 Scorpio
Hour Mercury

Sun 15:32:06 Cancer, Moon 22:34:46 Taurus,
Mercury 26:14 Cancer, Venus 26:56:47 Leo,
Mars 16:48:29 Virgo, Jupiter 03:00:07 Aries, Saturn 29:01:35 Virgo,
S Uranus 00:35:23 Aries; R Neptun 28:21:06 Aquarius, R Pluto 03:48:22 Capricorn,
R Chiron 00:27:04 Pisces,
Black Moon 01:03:48 Pisces,
North Node 11:41:33 Capricorn,
Part of Fortuna 21:52:36 Aries,
Part of Spirit 05:57:57 Capricorn.

The chart is radical for Mercury, L of hour, rules Airy triplicity by night.
Some confusion may create R Neptun's conjunction right on ASC with R Chiron and Black Moon. Neptun is the natural significator of illusions, unjustified hopes, deceit, frustration. Chiron loves paradoxes and dead ends. Black Moon has to do with lies, deceit and so like. It always brings in some fatality.
In horaries some astrologers count Black Moon as an integral element of VIII house irrespective of its disposition. I have done the same and with success.
Paul Globa considers Neptun exalts in Aquarius. I am not sure about this, rather I think Neptun's disposition in Aquarius is pretty destructive for Aquarius's mental inclinination and is contrary to its nature. Some consider that Neptun exalts in Leo (as Neptun is the natural significator of cinema), some in Cancer.
R Neptun is believed to be co-ruler of Sagittarius, Chiron, according to Globa, exalts in Sagittarius, some, in their turn, say - in Pisces. Black Moon in Pisces is very strong and destructive.
R Neptun's and Chiron's as co-rulers of Sagittarius dispostion on ASC may help Spain which is believed to be a Sagittarius ruled country.
On the other hand, the said disposition looks like a menacing omen for whoever will be attributed ASC. This position is anybody's guess and migh mar the prediction.

I think that spain will play in red and blue but Germany in white and black. Leo is associated with bright colours and with Venus, L4, on DSC I attribute DSC to Germany. So Spain is ASC.

Acc dignities Saturn 7, Sun 1, essential dignities Saturn -5, Sun 4.

The ruler of ASC Saturn and Mars, L 10 and dispositor of POF, are disposed in Virgo, in the detriment sign of Jupiter, with their dispositor Mercury in Cancer. Mercury's, ruler of hour, disposition in the detriment sign of ASC ruler Saturn and fall of MC ruler Mars seems to be a disadvantage for ASC team. On the other hand, such disposition of Mercury, L of hour, may help Spain for Cancer is exaltation of Jupiter.

Mars', L10, disposition deep in VII seems to favour DSC team.

Venus, L4, on DSC should be regarded as advantage for DSC team. There is a triple reception by house among Sun, L1 (Cancer), Venus, L1 (Leo), and Moon in Taurus. I regard it as an advantage for DSC team. There was also the triple reception by house among the significators of Germay in games Germany-England and Germany - Argentina.
Venus is conjunct the fixed star Alphard (the one that stands alone). Will there be dominance of one team? We will see.

What do we have in favour of ASC team?
Saturn's, L1, and Mars's, L10, disposition above the horizon is a strong advantage for ASC team in comparison with Sun, L7, and Venus, L4, below the horizon. I noticed it is always better, though in VIII or XII, to have a significator above the horizon than below.
Mercury, L of hour, sextile Saturn, L 1, seem to be an advantage for ASC team, in particular that the Moon is applying be sextile and trine to both. However, there is a cut of light for the first aspect the Moon perfects is a square to Venus, L4, which I regard as a good point for DSC team.

The Moon within the orb of 5 degrees will perfect only two aspects: first is a squre to Venus, L4, the second a sextile to Mercury, L of hour. The Moon aspecting in turn Venus, L 4, and Mercury, L of hour, I regard as an advantage for DSC team.

Other considerations: There is a mutual reception between the Sun, L7, and Jupiter, natural significator of success and triumph, by exaltation.
Sun is in the exaltation degree of Jupiter (15 Cancer).
On the one hand Jupiter is ruler of Sagittarius which is believed to rule over Spain, and it could mean that Sun, L7, puts Jupiter (Spain playing in red and blue) on a pedestal. On the other hand, Jupiter is disposed in Aries with his dispositor Mars in Virgo, in detriment of Jupiter, which could import the exact opposite that Jupiter puts Sun, L7, on a pedestal taking into account that POF is in Aries and POS in Capricorn, house and exaltation of Mars which is the ruler of Germany.

If we use the alternative method that nodbody gest ASC, then I attribute Jupiter to Spain (playing in red and blue) but Moon (white), Saturn (black) and Mercury as the mix of both to Germany.

As you see the Moon is applying to both Mercury and Saturn by sextile and trine. These easy aspects linking together Mercury, L of hour, Moon (white) and Saturn (black) may prove to be decisive.

The Octopus has picked Spain as the winner. Let's see. The chart has more indications in favour of Germany. I am not sure whether I have comprehended the symbolism the chart reflects, but my guess is Germany.

Nep/chiron conj AC suggests there is a weakness in Spains team, maybe without an important player either through injury or sending off.

Venus is conjunct the fixed star Alphard (. Will there be dominance of one team? We will see.

I'd love to go for Spain as winners but agree with Janis and would add further testimony in the form of APOF in 7th house, a good indication of Germany winning.

Venus is conjunct the fixed star Alphard ('the one that stands alone'). Will there be dominance of one team? We will see.

'the one that stands alone' sounds like the Referee, esp with VE weighing up decisions on that degree.


As we're in agreement I'll concentrate on looking at potential times of incidents/goals during the match.

1st Half

8.00 BST - UR/SA axis on cusp of 2nd/8th, SA joins MA in 7th house (Spain unlucky?)

2nd Half

9.50 BST - MA on DC sq MC, Sun enters 4th (Goal, probably for Germany).

The coordinates are 30e56, 29s55, right? (There's another place called Durbanvile in SAF).

The chart is radical for Mercury, L of hour, rules Airy triplicity by night.
Some confusion may create R Neptun's conjunction right on ASC with R Chiron and Black Moon. Neptun is the natural significator of illusions, unjustified hopes, deceit, frustration. Chiron loves paradoxes and dead ends. Black Moon has to do with lies, deceit and so like. It always brings in some fatality.

I hope we are not talking about more judging mistakes- i think we have had enough of those already.

Other considerations: There is a mutual reception between the Sun, L7, and Jupiter, natural significator of success and triumph, by exaltation.
Sun is in the exaltation degree of Jupiter (15 Cancer).

I spotted this too and this Sun is even inside the 5th - personally I think it could be a great promise for the Spanish national team.
L1 inside the 8th just doesn't look like a sign of a winner to me. It somehow looks to me that the placement above the horizon is somewhat weakened by the position inside a malefic house.

The octopus said that Spain will win and I believe it!

BTW, Venus is sitting on the 7th cusp! You can laugh as much as you want but Spain has got a beautiful team.

The octopus said that Spain will win and I believe it!

Its probably a Spanish octopus, whatever, the darn thing is getting too big for its boots. Time to swim with the fishes!

daz madrigal wrote:

The octopus said that Spain will win and I believe it!

Its probably a Spanish octopus, whatever, the darn thing is getting too big for its boots. Time to swim with the fishes!

he's actually german! He even said that Germany would lose the match with serbia - I'd say that he is an unbiased octopus!

sebastian wrote:Is strange, how can we sometimes support national teams form other continents. Here sometimes happens in the same way, but mainly between Argeintina and Brazil. I think most of the continent was with Uruguay this evening.

I know! I guess we all wanted to see Uruguay and Spain in the final - Spain has never been there (unbelievable!) and your national team was the first champion ever The idea of either of the countries winning the competition looked almost like a fairytale ending to most people. I guess that many people over here love your team because it all started in Uruguay!

he's actually german

Well he lives in Germany but he came from England. So I imagine football wise he needs to work on his issues.