I've picked up the following "facts" about the political situation in Italy.

1/ The Anti-Establishment parties don't really want Conte as PM. There will be a vote in Parliament any day now and they may vote him down.

Anyway I understand that Parliament does have to vote to accept or reject the New Government.

2/ They feel they are on the Ascendancy and therefore they believe they will win more power if there is another General Election. If 1/ occurs that could be as soon as August.

3/ I understand that the President has sort of stated that if they wanted an anti-Euro agenda then really the Electorate has to be given another say in that.

So he has sort of forced the Euro to the top of the agenda.

If all the above is true then we are in a high stakes game, and even if there was an Election in the relatively +VE Astro sphere of August it does seem to take an age to get the Government formed, and for me the cut of date is the 15th Sept.

When the trine between Uranus and Saturn, and Jupiter's journey across the then separating Neptune Pluto sextile are finished.

Also Uranus is then in a dangerous square with The Nodes/ Mars.

I think we also need to look at how the strongly -VE 27th July Lunar Eclipse might fall on to this Saga.

4/ I understand that the Italian Debt really is problematic. Greece's was nothing like Italy's and remember all the trouble over Greece.

My Analysis of the bigger Cycles does suggest, TO ME, that we are already of the Top of very high Top, and that after the 14th Sept there is very little to keep things afloat, except Jupiter's move into Sagittarius.

Now that's a Home Run but sometimes that means there isn't any further uplift in the tank.

And I'd doubt one strongish +VE like Jupiter in Sagittarius will save the situation.

H

rocko,

as i understand it the euro currency is undergoing a major challenge and not all inside the house of euro are happy with how it all is working... speculation that soros is hoping to increase the volatility in the euro at this point too.. interesting..

brexit is an interesting angle to this too.. as i read it, the powers that be - msm and etc were telling the people of uk they were stupid to vote the way they did... it seems a similar dynamic is happening here... if anything, the people are not stupid and realize when the idea of democracy is only considered relevant when they vote a particular way... i expect more turbulence with the euro and italy leading the way in it all..

Must admit I'm a bit confused by what is going on in Italy. The Anti-Establishment Government came just at the end of the r.Jupiter translation from Pluto to Neptune, who were applying.

My feeling is that Jupiter in Scorpio has been about behind the scenes "dirty dealing", and that that transit was sort of the reverse of that. Laying out their stall for the EU to come up with a "dirty deal."

Threatening the Euro, in return for what ? But I do understand that Italy's Debt really does threaten the Eurozone.

Further, I understand that the Government gets voted on today by the Lower House. I understand that they may vote the PM down and call new Elections for as early as August.

Mercury is moving towards combustion now so NOT a good time for a vote, but r.Jupiter is in trine, so again the "dirty dealing" may win the day.

H

rocko - you always appear to be focused on very short term cycles... the euro currency and european union has come out of long term cycles... what were the long term cycles in effect for the treaty of rome, or the introduction of the euro currency? these are the kinds of questions that an answer to would help shed more light on where we are at this point in time with regard to the european union... otherwise one can get caught up in the flotsam and jetsam and miss a lot!

I very much agree that we need to be looking at a Chart for the Euro.

Less confident that I can find a really good one. But Yes it is about the Euro now.

H

OK so both the New Italian and Spanish Governments are up an running. Both sworn in around the same time in reality.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... paign=1490

I'll need to have a look to see if there are any tell tale signs as to their longevities.

H

Hard to know what is going on in Italy. Or the motivation of the Italian government but perhaps they hold a gun to the EU's Head about their Budget Deficient.

On the BBC World Services's Business Matters today at 08.30am 10th Oct there was a good explanation by Jeremy Cleft (sic) of the Economist Magazine.

He felt things will come to a head in mid December at an EU Summit to agree rules about Collective Debt.

The Northern EU Countries led by Holland don't like being on the hook for Italian and others' Debt.

H

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/itali ... 01871.html

As Italy could crash the EU we need to be watching the Dates. The EU has rejected their Budget and given them three weeks to do better. So till around the start of the week of the 12th Nov.

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/italy ... 44932.html

Using my simple Top Down Rolling Analysis that is the week after the US Mid Terms, when I think things are calmer.

[t.Mars forms an inconjunction with The Node.]

Until the 17th Nov when it all get shaky again till late Nov.

H

Ok so loads seem to be going down as The Nodes move to the exact square of r.Uranus.

Also little old r.Venus caught there too.

This does impact on Italy and Spain so I'll put it here.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/angela-merkel ... 12691.html

https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/germa ... 17438.html

H