hi bob,

thanks for sharing.. i don't claim to fully understand what you are doing with these charts, but it is interesting you are using the presidency chart 1789 as a partial reference point for all of it...

how much do you factor in solar returns, directions and stuff like that?

i think there is at least 50/50 odds on trump being impeached.. the usa seems to be in such a crazy state at present, it is maybe more then 50/50 odds on this happening.

Hi James,

There are actually a series of very difficult dates in January 2020, for tRump.

The reason for January 13, 2020, target date was because that is the date tRump's natal Saturn is opposed by the transiting Sun, Saturn, and Pluto - the heaviest difficult transit to his natal chart in the 4 year period he was sworn to. The events or people with strong aspects to that point are from nature and that there are so many of them in American political history indicate to me that the time is probably going to be a major point in American political history.

It could be an impeachment conviction, a resignation, a removal of tRump for medical reasons or death.

I use precession corrected solar or demi-solar returns to get a Moons position from which I cast lunar or demi-lunar returns (anlunars) for target dates for events which are publicized or determined by transits to natal or secondary progressed points in charts.

After i progress the lunar returns to the target date and time I place a secondary progressed natal around it to make an interpretation, then a natal, and sometimes for mundane work eclipses from the past year prior to the target date. In mundane work for natural events the returns are from the Moon's entry in sidereal Cancer or Capricorn. I express the charts in the Tropical zodiac for the benefit of most who will look at them.

Planets or points to be considered for interpretation must be in conjunction, square, or trine to the MC-IC or Asc-Desc axis, (2° orb), measured in right ascension. The hard squares to the MC-IC are the East and West Points and to the Asc-Desc axis the Zenith and Nadir, which are exact 90°'s from them and allowing the 2° orb. Houses and signs are of no concern to me. I like to use what exists in nature - the horizon and the point directly overhead for a given location at a given time, planets and the space between them and midpoints all positions measured from 0° Aries in the Tropical zodiac (right ascension is a function of the Tropical zodiac).

I may look at biwheels made from Natal and/or secondary progression (Q2 Mean Quotidian angles) with transits around them and the progressed lunar returns with the past year's eclipses around them.

thanks bob,

i am processing different data differently then you, but i do believe the 2019 solar year beginning on his birthday june 14th and thru til same date 2020 is a challenging year for him... and someone pointed out this lunar eclipse that just happened landed on the sun in the inauguration chart... see the overlay of the 2 charts below..



it seems you are mostly focused on the transit data to pinpoint the january 2020 time..

i tend to see the focus on saturn as a focus on venus as well, given they are in a conjunction in his natal chart... using profections - it is a venus profection year starting june 14 2019 for him.. as i said before the mars saturn opposition on the nodal axis for his 2019 sreturn looks very problematical for me.. venus itself in the solar return seems fine, however, the chart has aries rising, which seems to reinforce the importance of the saturn-mars opposition, not to mention trumps natal mars which rises in the ascendant.. the most interesting solar arc direction is the sa ascendant square to trumps natal pluto in the 12th house area of the chart... his undoing may very well be the mueller investigation and trumps inability to shut it down, whether it is based on the intel community wanting to take him down or not.. he has not gotten a leg up from the beginning of his term and has been under fire 24/7.. it has been a very tumultuous presidency to date with no sign of it letting up..

perhaps the moon in scorpio in the inauguration chart and which again is seen in the 2019 solar return don't help... in both charts they square onto his 12th house pluto rather closely and which give more credence to my last couple of lines in the above paragraph - all emphasizing the same thing..