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Quick note on the 9th Harmonic
When looking at the Harmonic chart of Person A, you compare it to the Natal chart of Person B. And you focus on the conjunctions.
The formula to find an Harmonic is Planet position X the Harmonic number.
If the number is greater than 360, you substract 360 until you come up with a number within 360.
And the Orb of the conjunction is defined by the Harmonic itself. Say you look at the 9th Harmonic, a 9 degree orb will be considered an exact aspect within 1 degree. For the 5th Harmonic, you would use a 5 degree orb. And of course, the closer the better.
Plenty of programs are calculating Harmonics.
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For Lennon/McCartney, the 9th Harmonic ASC of Lennon falls at 29 Virgo exactly conjunct the natal ASC of McCartney. Talking about a fusional relationship!
For Meghan and Harry, Meghan's Moon 9th Harmonic (Lord of her ASC) falls on the MC - Saturn (Lord of his ASC) of Harry. A relationship that comes with obligations. Moon/Saturn for me is the "I will survive" aspect and also a strong desire for 'self-sufficiency "I have grown old mom" which is characteristic of their couple.
Harry's 9th Harmonic Sun falls on the ASC/Node of Meghan.

thanks pankajdubey

that link with peace angels comment is quite good! reading it i was reminded of my connections to my brother - his venus is on my north node and my jupiter is on his north node.. we get along really well and always have.. if i was to point to the astrology of our relationship, this would be the first comment i would make on it! i can't believe what a dunce i was in the past for not acknowledging the importance of the nodes.. hey- it is never too late to wake up!

thanks amelia,

it is fun to look at these examples you provide! i agree with your comment here and would like to single out the relationship of the charts with the position of saturn in both..

AmeliaS wrote: One prevalent belief that never sits right with me, is that aspects between inner planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) are indicators of attraction. More the merrier is the common approach. I think this is clearly overrated. In fact, I don't think it's ever reliable. These aspects seem to have more to say about "how" two people get along than anything else.

It's the interplay among nodes/angles/lights, if only sometimes with inner planets thrown in, for example node/venus, that can be counted on to present themselves in those intense relationships that make us murmur to our pillows "the one", "my soulmate", and in the profound bonds between best friends, artistic partners, life partners, etc...

what i see are important saturn aspects.. this makes sense to me given the high profile position of harry being directly connected to the british royalty and power.. meghans sun squares onto harrys saturn-midheaven conjunction.. in fact - his moon is in an opposition to this same saturn-midheaven conjunction... meanwhile meghan has a moon-saturn conjunction... these 2 aspects in the individual charts shows up in the composite chart as a square and also involve the midheaven angle.. saturn itself is in the composite first house... moon is in cancer in the 10th house..



the 2 charts together are somewhat lacking in connections of the inner planets as you note.. there are outer planet connections to the inner planets which feeds into the idea of this being a more fateful type relationship, as opposed to one of 'love'... maybe love can be learned over the course of time?? it is in us all and really hinges on our willingness to spread it around or not! sometimes it is easier and other times it is harder, lol...

i would however say that there is one very strong connection between the 2 charts that isn't immediately obvious.. it is more obvious in sidereal - harrys sun and meghans moon are essentially conjunct.... it is an 12 degree aspect, but i think it is quite important... her venus is in a 10 degree conjunction harrys sun as well... the midpoint of her moon-venus is very close to the place of harrys sun... that has to constitute an important and very harmonious connection as i see it.. and it isn't immediately obvious either..

but as you note - the angles connect here in an interesting way - ascendants 7-7.. meghans mars to midheaven square directly connects to the degree of harrys ascendant.. that really stands out.. but as you note - it is an angle connection, as opposed to inner planet connection..

as i said previously, i really believe there are any number of relationships to be had and the astrological possibilities connected to them must be infinite as well... some are more obvious then others... so maybe there is no one recipe for the astro needed for relationships to develop..

that is cool about the mercury-venus ties in your chart.. thanks for sharing.. it is just a passing observation i have made on the nature of mercury-venus contacts in a number of composer and songwriter charts i have looked at.. it ain't foolproof, but it shows up a lot! i think of it as a person who puts across ideas in an artistic and appealing manner..

Ouranos

thanks for the comments on the importance of the D9 chart of the navamsha chart for relationships... this is the talk i hear regularly from indian astrology, but i don't see many examples of it... i really haven't made a close study of it, although i have read 3 or 4 books on the navamsha and i am always seeing it used in examples in a number of these indian astrology books i read too... it would be fun to take up a separate thread on this topic in the indian astrology forum if you feel like it...

cheers james

Pankajdubey: thank you for the link. Many comments on the thread resonate with me (and I'm sure you, too)!

Ouranos: Prince Charles’ Descendent is conjunct Camilla’s 9th harmonic Sun by one degree. Both Charles’ Venus and Camilla’s 9th harmonic Venus are in Libra. I'm not familiar with the 9th harmonic but will from now on keep my eyes open for both theories and chart placements. Thanks!

Thank you, James: heart melted at mention of the beautiful bond you share with your brother. With both benefics on the nodes that must be such a pleasant and loving relationship. I'm happy for you.

I have a few guy friends with whom I share Venus/South Node with. It isn't the instant intimacy I feel with people who have light/node with me. What is in place of that is social grace, playful adoration (but not necessarily flirting) and mutual respect. I find their foibles and very occasional neglect (bound to happen in friendships that span years), and they mine, very easy to forgive. I think Venus/Node can take time to play out, oh but they really, really last!

Also grateful for the keen observations about the Saturn / MC aspects, James. Harry and Meghan certainly have rocked each other's boats in terms of career, relations to the monarchy, and public image... Now they're rolling out a new charity together. And thanks so for the sidereal reading - it didn't occur to me to look for contacts that way until just now, especially when connections do not show up immediately in tropical.

Both You and Ouranos are great inspirations when it comes to learning outside western astrology...

James wrote:maybe love can be learned over the course of time?? it is in us all and really hinges on our willingness to spread it around or not! [...] i really believe there are any number of relationships to be had and the astrological possibilities connected to them must be infinite as well... some are more obvious then others... so maybe there is no one recipe for the astro needed for relationships to develop..

Agreed.

In gratitude,
Amelia

Thank you Amelia for instigating this thread and always moderated comments!
Thanks Pankajdubey for reviving Linda Goodman I still keep track of some of her aphorisms.
And thank you James for your youthfulness approach to astrology. Astrology is fun!

Ouranos

Thanks, Ouranos.

I forgot to mention that all three synastry charts we discussed turned out to suit Dorotheus' requirements:

Same-sign ascendants: Prince Charles & Camilla
Sun in the other's Midheaven: [none]
Sun in the other's ASC: [none]
Moon in the other's Midheaven: [none]
Moon in the other's ASC: [none]
One's Moon the sign of the other's Venus, especially when the two Moons are in trine:
Harry & Meghan, though the Moons aren't in trine
One's Venus or Jupiter the sign of the other's Venus or Jupiter:
Lennon and Paul McCartney

Amelia

Interesting!
And very true, synastry as described by Dorotheus help us understand the energies people can bring and need into a relationship. As well as the composite charts which is a junction between sensitive points.
And the Moon, if you raise children, is of special importance.
Now, we discussed in the thread mostly of love relationships. But you have other kind of relationships, like business. I read somewhere that if you have a small business, it is better to get acquainted with similar energies but for larger corporations, best to have people of different energies. We have a good example with Donald Trump who tried to build his presidency with people alike and the ship went sinking.
And you also have people you will encounter only once and they can change the course of your life. On the positive side, they are what I call our 'guardian angels'. I remember many years ago, I attended a conference by Michio Kushi, a spiritual leader and at the end of his presentation, I walked by him to thank him for his presentation. He turned over to me and put his hand on my shoulder and told me, before I could utter a word 'Make peace with your ex." And at that very moment, I felt a strong flow of heat circulating in my body. One week later, she called me and we made peace, telling each other how passionate our relationship had been A couple of months later, I met my SO. Love is all we need!

** Kushi's Moon cj NN falls on my Sun and his Harmonic 9th Jupiter is conjunct my natal Jupiter.

Cheers!
Ouranos

thanks amelia and ouranos! it's been fun! that was a nice story ouranos.. thanks for sharing that as well...