this is a real meandering thread, but yes - i did mention the transit of uranus/mars opposite the 1792 chart for france in the thread for the 1792 chart for france ( sidereal).... i guess we don't have long to see how all this transpires... i do find the vibe of tripping over who said what first mildly entertaining...

I agree James and if I contributed to that vibe it was quite by accident. I only made reference to Sheila at the start of this thread because we were in conversation together a few days ago and she helped me realise how how this aspect tied into several significant charts relating to Biden. I noticed it appearing in other charts subsequently as I created them for Skyscript over the last few days, and it was on my mind anyway as highlighting a degree that comes back into focus in next year's ingress. Anyway, certainly didn't mean to point focus towards one person or another - I was only trying to be clear about the fact that the observation was not purely mine !

hi deb

it's not a problem, especially with so many things happening all at once! i have been especially curious of how this impacts the usa republican convention on july 15th and how it sits at the top of trumps chart as well as all the rest of this.

it is interesting to me the ''coincidence'' of both the uk and france having their elections at about the same time and they seem to have come out of nowhere... i wonder if there are some reasons in the background for all this?? i can't help but think the topic of the ongoing war in ukraine and natos involvement has something to do with this... do voters have to choose between support for their health care system or sending more money, weapons and etc to ukraine?? macron has been very hawkish implying he will send troops to ukraine... i do believe some of the kick back, at least in france is about this topic of the greater conflict between nato and russia... and of course the issue of 'security' ( whatever that means ) has been one of the main topics in both countries.. maybe i am mistaken, but i do find the coincidence of these snap elections on such short notice more then interesting..

regarding algol - it is a binary star which i believe has a 2 1/2 day cycle where one of the planets is occulted for a short period.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol_variable
i have never put much of any stock in the forboding emphasis on algol but it always pops up in parlour astrology!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol

maybe it is a coincidence but so far as i know - starmer, sunak and macron - are all world economic forum members... i don't believe the wef agenda is a democratic one, but it is definitely ideological..

Mark wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:56 am Deb wrote:

Sheila pointed out how the volatile Mars-Uranus conjunction that perfects on 15th July at 26° Taurus falls upon Biden's natal 12-th house Sun.

Yes I highlighted this point about the opposition to Biden's Scorpio Sun over a month ago on numerous mundane FB groups. That and the fact it squares Donald Trump's Mars. At the same time Biden has Uranus opposing his Sun all the way up to the Democratic party National Convention on August 19th.

Biden's certainly getting more than his share of opprobrium but perhaps Jupiter on the so-called 'Point of Thales' provides a get out clause and Jupiter itself could perhaps represent the Democrats party when it gets to the wire.

Mars-Uranus on Algol, July the 15th, 2024, is just one day after 'French National Celebration' , also known as "Bastille Day", the anniversary of the Storming of the Bastille on 14 July 1789, a major event of the French Revolution. Since the horrifying events of the French Revolution can be very well described by what is astrologically related with fixes star Algol, It would be interesting to see where this Mars-Uranus conjunction falls in the Solar return of the "Storming of the Bastille" chart.

As it so happens, in this solar return chart, attached below, this conjunction is right on the Midheaven, which is tightly conjunct the south node of the radix chart.

Coincidence?

hey AquaStelLea

thanks for sharing your insights here... deb shared an interesting video with robert hand in a long 3 hour type conversation, but if you listen to the first ten minutes robert hand makes some interesting comments on solar returns and although he uses the tropical zodiac, he believes in using precession...in other words, all of the positions of the planets with regard to the angles change depending on the zodiac one uses... it is just a passing comment, i think about the 9 minute mark... see inside this link - viewtopic.php?t=12582

this is one of the challenges of using solar returns in different zodiacs... you get very different results... when i started using sidereal zodiac, i then realized what an astrologer friend had asked me over 20 years ago about ''do you use precession or not?' i never really thought about it that much...

ultimately astrologers have to figure out for themselves what works and doesn't work, but in more recent years i have become very familiar with these inconsistencies! i too favour the idea of using precession as opposed to not...

here ( below) is the chart in sidereal which will look the same if you use precession with the tropical zodiac chart..



here below is the biwheel with solar return on the outside and bastille chart on the inside..



perhaps the most interesting tie in between these charts is the position of neptune in the bastille chart at 29 virgo 45 ( sidereal) and the midheaven in the 2024 solar return chart of 26 virgo 54.... this re-emphasizes the neptune themes that were discussed in lynn bells video presentation which hopefully you got a chance to watch.... here is a link to that video again for you or others who didn't..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BZoEy_6rFs

Wow! What a stunning solar return with Uranus/Mars/Algol on the MC. Revolution in the air! Unbelievably powerful! Thanks for sharing AquaStelLea.

Ed