Astralwanderer,

Nice way to present Mars as chronocator in Trump's chart.
Let's not forget that in his natal, Mars is Out of Sect.
To me, In Sect shows qualities of inclusiveness, for the community and the good of all.
Out of Sect is a separation from the community, acting out against the accepted rules of society. In more negative ways, like aggression or frustration, rather than being a source of energy and drive.

With Uranus squaring his natal Mars, we have already seen two murder attempts last year, legal problems (Mars L9) and currently Mars is retrograde over his natal Saturn/Venus like being revengeful and moving away from stable relationships.
Mars transits are to be watched over his natal.
On his next birthdate June 14th, he will have a Mars return square Uranus!
What do you think?

Hi Ouranus - thanks for the feedback. I am continuing to look at this interesting method of forecasting.

In my view we are now all in the grip of Trump's immutable fate, which has the hallmarks of a tragedy in the classical, Aristotelian sense. It seems that Trump has been chosen to act out this fate on the world's stage, and the stakes must now be extremely (impossibly?) high for him. It is difficult to see how he can get through the next four years using his strong man approach as his strategy.

It occurred to me that Trump is not actually much of a strategist - he employs his strong man (Martian) tactic as a strategy and this could well be his undoing (again in the classical sense). His upcoming transit of Uranus square Mars and then his ascendant is going to be incendiary, but it could play out both ways - his demonstration of power, or the imposition of countervailing powers on him.

I think your point about Trump's out of sect Mars is well made. It's a blunt instrument, a cudgel, and we can see him wielding it with impunity now that he has returned to the White House. Although strong men can be frightening and damaging, history doesn't give us many examples of individuals working this way on a sustainable basis. To every action, an equal and opposite reaction..... (I'm trying to remain positive!)

ed

interesting theory/technique on ascensions and trumps mars... thanks for sharing!

ouranos

yes - the transit of uranus to trumps mars is especially interesting here.. i am not sure about your ideas of out of sect planets acting.. it reminds me of some thoughts on planets that are in exile, or opposite there ruling signs in how they might act differently - your quote "separation from the community, acting out against the accepted rules of society. " i am not sure i buy into that with out of sect planets, but maybe...

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my thoughts.. it makes sense to focus in on trumps mars for a few astrological reasons.. the fact it is rising and a most obvious aspect to trumps personality would be part of it.. however i have always seen trump as this destabilizing mercurial guy... maybe that's because of his sun in gemini and seems prominent too, in having rulership over the leo ascendant.. the fact his sun is close to uranus with uranus the planet rising ahead of sun, also emphasizes the uranus energy as i see it, and of course the moon and nodal axis are all tied into trumps uranus position too... thus the transit of uranus to his mars seems very relevant..

but what about the fact transit saturn has made the square to trumps uranus for the time of this election and his inauguration?? those 2 planets don't exactly jive with one another.. in fact transit saturn has yet to make the exact square to his uranus, and will eventually continue on to aspect his sun/moon/node pattern too here shortly? this seems to me to be an important transit and not an easy one given saturns transit of pisces, the 8th sign to his ascendant leo.. i think this is an important transit as it demands trump get serious and deal with the incredible responsibility of being the leader of the usa.... it is fine for him to talk bravado and etc to his fan base, but another to make decisions that may or may not work and that will invariably cause friction, no matter what decision he makes.. as i see it trump is in a difficult situation and he isn't going to be able to talk his way out of it like some kind of magic act.. a lot could go wrong with his unpredictable personality / mouth...

but i want to draw your attention to the transit of mars, as it is presently retrograde in cancer - still fairly close to his natal saturn, but moving back towards his natal mercury, although not making it that far... the station is at 17 cancer on about feb 23rd, is pretty close to the natal mercury/saturn midpoint... this is very close to the timing for the transit of saturn to his natal moon placement also - moon ruling these natal cancer planets and the transiting mars as well..

i am not really predicting anything, but on balance, this mars retro period would seem to be a critical transit for what is trumps first impressions as president of the usa... of course the transit of saturn is equally and perhaps more so and it is all becoming complete fairly soon too, in so far as trumps sun-moon opposition is concerned..

as a bonus, here is trumps tropical solar return chart for 2025 which ouranos astutely notes the close mars - uranus square being recreated in his 2025 solar return.. thanks ouranos and ed!

i want to add a few things to all this...

trump loves drawing attention to himself.. i guess that goes with the leo rising... but also he likes to destabilize things, by putting everyone in a state of uncertainty.... i see that as the uranian energy, but perhaps a traditional astrologer would say that is mars rising and mars energy... regardless, it seems very intentional and premeditated as though by saying outrageous things, or making lies, he will gain some sort of advantage over his opponents ( is this the slick sun in gemini playing at both sides?).... well, maybe it is all very simple and ouranos theory of it being mars, an out of sect planet is a more elegant way to put it, lol...

i want to draw attention to the fact that trump is on a collision course with benjamin netanyahu - the present leader of israel... why this is interesting here is netanyahu, regardless of the accuracy of his chart, has mars in leo very close to trumps natal mars... in fact, using the C rated time for netanyahu, their mars are about 3 minutes apart... this is important in so far as the transit of uranus to this natal mars in both mens charts is important... i would like to point out that one of trumps biggest financial supporters, was mariam adelson, the wife of the now deceased sheldon adelson... she is very dedicated to the interests of israel, and the sad reality is lobbying hasn't been outlawed in most all the western democracies as i understand it... i am not sure how trump squares that circle, but their is that... below is a biwheel with netanyahus C rated chart on the outside, to trumps natal chart on the inside...
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ne ... ,_Benjamin

Hi there - thanks for the interesting contributions James and Ouranus. There's quite a lot to unpick astrology-wise over the next few months. The Aries ingress set for Washington, DC for starters. Last year's Aries ingress in Washington had Trump written all over it. (https://forum.jcremers.com/index.php/topic,539.0.html)

This coming ingress also has strong resonances with Trump's chart. The chart set for DC has fixed Aquarius rising, with Pluto just above the horizon. However the rising degree places Trump's Pluto within a degree of the descendant. I wonder if this suggests that for all the 'shock and awe' start to his presidency, he may be running out of steam by this point. The opposition with the transiting Pluto also suggests the rise of countervailing powers which would not be surprising.





The ingress takes place in the early morning, before sunrise, and the only traditional planet above the horizon is the Moon. This is prominently placed in the Porphyry tenth house and opposes Jupiter in Gemini. It is interesting to note that the very powerful fixed star axis Aldebaran-Antares is at the midpoint of these planets and so grace the 4th-10th axis. In mundane astrology the Moon represents the populace and Jupiter is traditionally associated with the law, institutional frameworks, religion and belief systems. The opposition along the fixed star axis suggests some fracture between the people and these social frameworks. Of course Trump has been active demolishing many of the bulwarks of the state but there may be a sense that the guardrails are off and people don't like what they see.

Trump is of course a Jupiterian character. He is giving a good impersonation of being an emperor, a Jupiterian role. Moon opposing Jupiter could signal the beginning of opposition to Trump's reign.

The other fascinating aspect of this chart is the meridian axis along 28 degs 43 mins of Taurus-Scorpio. Uranus is still hanging around 24 Taurus, on Trump's MC. It seems to have been on this degree for years. The last degrees of fixed signs are of inestimable importance in Trump's chart and these degree's constellate Trump's Mars, his horizon, his MC, his Lot of Fortune. Debilitated transiting Mars rules this MC from the Porphyry 6th. This doesn't seem very auspicious to me. The degrees of it's lengthy retrograde are in the ingress sixth. In fact the degree of the horizon is just beyond the station retrograde point of the Mars station at the end of 2024.

The period of time around the Aries ingress could see dramatic developments in the presidency. There is corroborating evidence for this with Trump's diurnal charts for 20th March and 21st March 2025. The clearest demonstration of the importance of this time is the diurnal below (21 March 2025), with the transiting chart on the inner wheel and Trump's natal on the outer wheel. Note the very close repetition of degrees in the final decan of fixed signs - Trump's natal Mars is precisely on the IC. Note that Trump has a lunar return very close to the diurnal chart time for his birthplace. In the diurnal chart, Moon is setting, conjunct his own Moon and opposing his Gemini planets. I wonder if there is a significant shift in his fortunes at this time.

Hi there - the emerging situation between Trump, Denmark and Greenland needs watching. Here is the bi-wheel, Trump's chart on the inside; Denmark's on the outer wheel. The data for Denmark comes from Campion's BWH, 2004. Cusps are Porphyry.




Denmark's Uranus/Pluto conjunction on Trump's ninth house cusp. Denmark's chart ties in very closely with the Moon-Jupiter opposition in the 2025 Aries ingress. Denmark's Moon is conjunct Antares. The Danish Sun is partile conjunction the ingress Jupiter. I wonder if this situation will develop rapidly around the time of the Aries ingress.

I'll work on this chart over the next few days.

Here's another way of considering the current ascensions for Trump. The red highlights show the current ascensions and his age. The range is +/- 3 years from the current date. The table needs to be read in conjunction (excuse the pun) with the natal chart (shown below). All directions are in primary motion not secondary motion, i.e. clockwise.

You can see that the amount of activity related to ascensions is significant in Trump's chart and involves key points such as the ascendant, Sun, Mars, Node and Fortune. Once the ascension has perfected, the amount of elapsed time (as a proportion of the additional three year period) is shown in green. The current ascension of Mars to the Sun is approximately 2/3 complete for example.

hi ed

i was interested in this issue over denmark in the past few weeks and tried to see if i could find some relevant times to make a chart for greenland, but have been unsuccessful with a chart for greenland... although this thread is all connected to trumps inauguration, i was thinking of starting a thread on this specific issue, but hadn't yet found a time to work with for a chart for greenland... but for the purposes of this thread, i will share a biwheel chart as you've done here of trumps tropical chart on the inside, and the chart for denmark on the outside... the data on the chart for denmark is also from nic campions 2004 book of world horoscopes - 1215 pm, june 5, 1849 copenhagen... i have a busy day today, but will perhaps comment tomorrow... first thing i note is both have the sun opp moon in the gemini/sax axis.. denmarks chart has virgo rising and gemini midheaven where trumps nodal axis is.. that is what the red arrows on the outside wheel shows...

Let's not forget for Trump Mercury Antiscia his Gemini planets.
Mercury/Uranus Sun opp Moon is very volatile.

i think with regard to the issue of trump and greenland, i have to frame my thoughts in a larger context...

capitalism needs to constantly expand.. it is very jupiter like... but the 20th century put an end to overt types of colonialism, as demonstrated by the british empire.. yes, africa was divided up by the various powers, for exploitative purposes, but even their we see the french being pushed out and replaced by china, russia, usa and others? for different reasons.. acquiring land is acquiring resources to capitalize on... the big frontier of the arctic zones for the oil and gas corporations is not really up for grabs, but perhaps it could be if greenland was to be taken over by the usa energy corporations who already have a foothold in greenland the past 20 years.. the way i see it, capitalism is running out of expansionary options and trumps insinuation of buying greenland is a statement involving a few of these above dynamics in play in the present..

the whole concept of the nation state is being replaced with the corporate state, run by the corporations for the corporations with politicians as servants to these corporations... trumps inauguration with the techno corporation heads at the event - jeff bezos (amazon), google, zukenberg (facebook), elon musk and etc. etc. demonstrate this.. https://apnews.com/article/trump-inaugu ... 3074267ecd

i suppose the question becomes this.. what is the new world order that trump is ushering in ( not that he is consciously aware of any of it)??? it seems to me the expansiveness will run into obstacles, if not outright conflict.. the idea of might makes right is not what most people associate with the idea of democracy, but maybe democracy is a nice jacket to put on while keeping hidden the nastier parts of capitalism which trump seems to be highlighting here for anyone who wasn't sure..

it might not work out according to plan either.... or maybe some things will work out and some things won't and it is hard to know which of these ideas will succeed and which ones won't... that is why we look at the inauguration chart in the hopes of unraveling a possible answer to these ongoing questions.. perhaps there are other ways to look for the answers too, astrologically.. the general idea of plutos transit into aquarius might be a small part of the puzzle.. trumps chart might fill in some of the blanks.. maybe the usa chart as a nation might give us some guidance as well..

it would seem the ongoing jupiter-saturn square is still very central to what is happening in the present moment.. usually the square between these 2 planets isn't considered favourable economically speaking.. it is an interesting time for trump to be given the presidency.. i don't know that it would have mattered who won, but it seems like trump winning is much more in keeping with the larger changes that seem to be developing very quickly here in 2025..

interestingly trump also has the jupiter-saturn square in his natal chart.. he has been known to have a number of businesses end in bankruptcy.... it is saturn in the upper square to jupiter in his natal chart, just as it is here by transit - saturn in jupiters 10th house, implying the real possibility of these expansionary dreams ending in defeat...

One argument I've read about, for Trump pressuring Denmark and Panama, has to do with them gaining UN Security Council seats in 2026; he may simply be starting the bully tactics early to ensure their compliance to US wishes, which would be consistent with his usual approach to his Aries, Mars ruled 9th house matters.

thanks jane...

i was unaware of this... it is interesting in so far as the usa has never been concerned about the dynamics of the un in more recent times, beginning with bush/blair circumventing the un to have their war on iraq, or at least the past 20 or more odd years..

i suppose this is why we are all focused on trumps mars from different angles and the transit of mars in cancer here - in his 12th house.. what good can come of it? the station of mars at approx 17 cancer, on about feb 23/24 is close to his sun/pluto midpoint.. i wonder how this unfolds? is he the powerful guy or shown to be powerless? here is how reinhold ebertin describes this midpoint set up with mars on it..

sun/pluto = mars

the desire to perform record- achievements, orver-exertion or overtaxing one's powers, ruthlessness... - the tendency to work to the point of physical breakdown...

i continue to believe health issues may be a factor for trump moving forward, although the public hasn't been told of any concerns to his health..