13 by Yukionna Saturn I think, it's in Cap on cusp 7. Mars in Scorp is much more dignified but only in 5, so not so strong to act. Yuki Quote Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:37 pm
15 by Yuriy I don't know. Two planets very strong. Venus in Taurus in 7th with Libra AC and Taurus Sun. But Saturn in Aquarius in 4th in close trine to AC, and in day chart exalting at AC sign and ruling triplicity. Quote Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:57 pm
16 by MarkLeoMoon Found that Saturn (Cap) in the 4th is my LoG. Am finding the traditional approach to chart interpretation to be very interesting and fruitful. So much history and evolution that can be studied in detail. Wish I had more time in the day. Quote Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:26 am
17 by Tom There are charts where there is no really good choice for the Lord of the Geniture, but in that case we can default to the ruler of the ASC if it is no worse than anything else in the chart. What is the default option when there are two good choices? What might be an embarrassment of riches can actually be problematic when using the LoG to determine temperament or directing it for predictions. Does anyone using this technique have a rule for this situation? Quote Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:55 pm
18 by Yuriy Tom wrote:There are charts where there is no really good choice for the Lord of the Geniture, but in that case we can default to the ruler of the ASC if it is no worse than anything else in the chart. What is the default option when there are two good choices? What might be an embarrassment of riches can actually be problematic when using the LoG to determine temperament or directing it for predictions. Does anyone using this technique have a rule for this situation? As I've wrote above, I've strong Venus and Saturn and both are have strength at AC. While Venus in Taurus in 7th is Sun ruler in diurnal chart, its also ruling Libra AC. But Saturn in Aquarius in 4th getting more points (by Lilli's calculation) at AC, culminating in Libra and ruling triplicity. So, Saturn is almuten of AC. I would give more chances to Saturn, because it aspecting AC with trine and in sect, while Venus not in sect and oriental, not aspecting AC. Quote Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:44 pm
19 by PFN My case could be called curious. I have 3 very strong planets by essential dignity: Moon in exaltation, Mercury in Virgo, Jupiter in Sagitarius. But in my opinion, my lord of geniture is Mars ^_^. My Moon is in aversion to the risign sign, on the II house. Jupiter is in the 9th sign, in the VIII house, but on a degree distant from the ascending one. Venus has a lot of dominion over planets in terms of the classical measuremente of the LoG, but Mars comes close and is the ruler of the ascendant. Saturn is effective in my chart indirectly only. Theoretically, the least important/likely planet to produce an astrologer would be Mars. Yet, here I am. Paulo Felipe Noronha Quote Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:44 pm
20 by Tom I suppose we need to define LoG and I forgot this thread originated 5 years ago. Lilly defines it, more or less, as the strongest planet in a chart by essential dignity that can act. That means it needs enough accidental dignity to put it in play. For example a planet in triplicity in the 10th might be preferable to a planet in domicile in the 12th. The idea is to pick a strong active planet. I think Ibn Ezra uses the almutem as the LoG. Almutem is different in that a weak planet that has a great deal of dignity in the ASC degree could be chosen. That surely is indicative of something, but the LoG seems to be less about prediction than it is about potential. The best use of it is made when the native consciously tries to use it. I don't see the value in using a weak planet just because it has lots of dignity in the ASC. It's like hoping for the best results by putting your worst traits on display. There is a good argument to be made that reversing your worst traits will lead to good things, but using your best traits seems a bit easier and smarter as it will come more naturally. Quote Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:22 pm
21 by Tanit Theoretically, the least important/likely planet to produce an astrologer would be Mars. Yet, here I am. Why do you think Mars would necessarily determine vocation, though? LOG is more likely to describe someone's personality and appearance/health/spirit, etc., right? A person's vocation and who they are as a person may be two different things. In any case, I am also a Mars LOG. Mars in Aries in the 10th, swift, direct (although in a day chart). Mercury in early Taurus in the 11th, swift, direct is a close second, though. I am sure Mars characterizes me very well, and Lilly says it should three-fold, but I would say my other influences add a lot to who I am (Mars might describe my ability to endure hardships and rise above what I was born into, etc. but that is not all that I am). Quote Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:42 am
22 by Dolly Hi Would someone kindly tell me the Lord of the Geniture in my chart please Birth date 6 June 1950 Time 5:10 am Oxford UK British summer time in operation minus 1 hour ascendant Gemini Thanks Dolly Quote Sat Dec 31, 2011 4:25 pm
23 by Konrad I'd say Jupiter in the 10th place, Dolly, since Venus is in aversion to the Asc and cadent. Quote Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:00 pm