hmm don't you think that in a sense, Brown is already imprisoned- through his politics /career?

I'm at a serious disadvantage here since I simply don't know much about Gordon Brown, and I do think that we can take a lot of the symbolism metaphoricaly, as you've done, as well as literaly. My remark about him going to prison was hyperbole and intended to draw attention to his loaded 12th house. I don't really think he is going to prison.

As for his being "imprisoned" in his job, like you say he could have left and done other things. I'm sure he has the skills. The fact that he didn't indicates he is in his position of his own free will.

What we might want to keep our eye on is Morinus' interpretation of the 12th house. He said it represented illlness. This is at odds with probably every other astrologer before him. If he does become seriously ill (or perhaps he has in the past), Jupiter in Pisces would ultimately save him from death (or imprisonment for that matter), at least that is Morinus' view. He would say the same for imprisonment. In other words, let's assume a major scandal is revealed, the fact that he has the two benefics in great dignity in the 12th would save him from permanent damage due to the scandal. The same would be true of illness. He might suffer a serious illness, but it would not kill him.

Tom

I said in Sept 30, 2006!!!

[quote="SIDERUM"]In my opinion the correct hour is 08:26:20 UT, ASC=05?19'Aries; MC=01?37' Capricorn.
From correction I observe that Gordon has accident risk, or a health problem (heart) or an attack!!!

Mario[/quote]

The last Solar Return for Gordon, have ASC=24?Libra Square Mars!!!
The Next Lunar Return have Mars in 5?Aries Conjuntion ASC Rx!!!
The Secundary Progress have ASC=5?Cancer conjuntion Uranus Rx=5?Cancer!!! Pay Attention!!!
Regards
Mario

Hello,

I don't understand the basis of rectifying the birth data to 8.26am. You may prefer the chart it produces but its unlikely to be correct. Here in Scotland all birth times are recorded on the birth certificate so this birth time is not as vague as a lot of English birth times where this is not the practice.

The 8.40am time has been personally confirmed by Caroline Gerard (Chair of the Scottish Astrological Association) who has checked Brown's birth certificate for his time of birth. The birth data of 8.40am is therefore likely to be accurate and Scottish astrologers have been using this time for some years.

Mark

I understand!!!
In England, like USA, or any Country, like also in Scotland, all schedule has an error, although some cases is little, does not stop being error, all Natal Chart must of rectify.
Mario

Tom wrote:

hmm don't you think that in a sense, Brown is already imprisoned- through his politics /career?

I'm at a serious disadvantage here since I simply don't know much about Gordon Brown, and I do think that we can take a lot of the symbolism metaphoricaly, as you've done, as well as literaly. My remark about him going to prison was hyperbole and intended to draw attention to his loaded 12th house. I don't really think he is going to prison.

As for his being "imprisoned" in his job, like you say he could have left and done other things. I'm sure he has the skills. The fact that he didn't indicates he is in his position of his own free will.

What we might want to keep our eye on is Morinus' interpretation of the 12th house. He said it represented illlness. This is at odds with probably every other astrologer before him. If he does become seriously ill (or perhaps he has in the past), Jupiter in Pisces would ultimately save him from death (or imprisonment for that matter), at least that is Morinus' view. He would say the same for imprisonment. In other words, let's assume a major scandal is revealed, the fact that he has the two benefics in great dignity in the 12th would save him from permanent damage due to the scandal. The same would be true of illness. He might suffer a serious illness, but it would not kill him.

Tom

The biggest spending spree in the financial meltdown could be one 12th house effect !! .All the accumulated savings as Chancellor of the exchequer are gone as sson as he became the Prime Minister.

I have read that he has serious eyesight trouble and even heads the disabled power list

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/5241502.stm

PD