did he marry ? because it seens to me that it was a very unhappy marriage.
If he did, I would guess that it was between Mar 1959 and may 1960

Can you tell us where you see that? It's not that I am disagreeing with you, I'm just interested in your technique. There is a "no disagreeing" rule for this topic that Tom and I came up, and whew, does that feel good!

Hello,

Using paran stars method to delineate his life(orb of 0 deg and 30 min):-

The moon is in paran relationship with rukbat (star lower):-

Rukbat is stance of the archer and the stance of the archer has to be strong and (more importantly) steady. This suggests a person of who can endeavor harsh things in life, one who steadily face the difficulties of life and fight back with constant "steadiness" - God! my english!.

Mercury and Jupiter is in paran relationship with Scheat (the thinker), which suggests a person who goes for intellectual pursuit especially during the early (star rise with Jupiter) and later part of his life (star sets with Mercury).

Mercury is also in paran relationship with the Persian Royal star Fomalhaut (star rise) which may mean that the native strives for artistic expression during his early years (he may wanted to be a poet/singer/performer of some kind when he was young but somehow this is not seen/manifested as Mercury is combust and is also ruler of 12th).

Now, the rest of the stars that have paran relationship with the traditional planets are active during his later years suggesting his public "appearance" and fame/notoriety came late...

He has 4 stars that anticulminate (indications of expression in late part of life and after death), AlRisha with Mercury, Castor, Agena and Thuban with Mars. AlRisha is bringing things together (uniting the opposites), Castor is the star of wanting a voice, Agena is sacrifice for a cause, and Thuban is the star of protector. All these suggest that at later part of his life (and after death he would be remembered for this) he could be gathering something (AlRisha) or calling to the public (Castor) in order to protect something (Thuban) for a cause (Agena) and he is probably the victim or protecting victims of (Agena) ...?

With Venus in paran to Alcyone (star of seven weeping sisters), there is something to cry about during his prime time (coupled with Venus in fall...)


Length of life:-

Hyleg is unmistakenly sun, making moon alchocoden as dispositor of sun that is making a tight square aspect to the sun. The benefics do not cnj, trine or sextile the moon (within orb) and the malefics do not cnj, square or oppose the moon - suggests a long life (108 years) if he is not pushed over the cliff, or run over by chariots, or contract anything from others, or meet with an accident... With strong hyleg and Achocoden we would expect someone who is strong and full of life...

but

the ruler of the ASC is Venus who happens to be the ruler of the 8th (death) AND the first triplicity ruler of 8th (meaning death by many medieval astrologers) AND Venus is fall in Virgo AND Mars is located in the house of death (whole sign) AND Mars is detriment AND according to Abu Ali al-Khayyat, Moon kills when she is in the 1st house (?) AND Moon is exalted ruler of 8th house - these do not bode well with his longevity. With Venus (fall) ruler and first trip ruler of 8th and Mars (detriment) located in 8th (whole sign), the manner surroundings his death is due to other person (Mars is also ruler of 7th) and can also be due to corrupted pleasures (Venus in Virgo)...

So Venus, Moon and probably Mars are important key planets to watch for his longevity. Though Alchocoden gives a long life, "accidents" could happen to nullify this...

We would naturally look at the primary direction of moon or venus to cnj/sqr/opp malefics...

One glance would alert us to the primary direction of moon (in the first house and exalted ruler of 8th) to conj Venus (ruler of 8th plus 1st trip ruler of 8th plus ruler of 1st H) - which happens at late 1992.

Progressed Moon also conj Pluto in 1992 and later Venus in 1994.

Transit Saturn oppose venus in 1994

Looking at his Fridaria, late 1992 is also Saturn/Moon period (moon being emphasized).

Wow!!! I wonder if he even survives 1992-1994 period - must have been hell for him.

Astrojin,

What is the "paran stars method"? Briefly please, just the basic idea. I'm not sure about this term.

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My only thoughts about the career of the person is that it's most likely represented by Mercury, as of the three that Lilly talks about, Venus for the arts, Mars for labor and military, and Mercury for letters, only Mercury is angular, and more than that it's in the 10th house. 10th house cusp also has Sirius on it. So the person's carrer could be as a writer, a thinker, maybe even a scientist.

I feel I don't have much to say after what everyone else has contributed.

Hello,

To MarkF:-

The paran stars method is the one outlined in detail by Bernadette Brady. She is currently giving Fixed star course in addition to her medieval astrology class. You can also refer to her bok "Brady's Book of Fixed Stars".

Basically, there are 2 methods that we can use when applying fixed stars.

1) The projected to the ecliptic method.
2) The visual paran method.

The projected via the ecliptic method is the one many modern and traditional astrologers use(d). When they say that a planet conjuncts a star e.g. I have Mercury conj Aldebaran, what they are effectively saying is that; "if I were to project both the star aldebaran and the planet Mercury onto the ecliptic, they would be in conjunction" - within orb that they specify.

But those who follow the second method (which is probably the more ancient method as it is very "visual") would say:-

Now, it is fine that you project the planets onto the ecliptic as they are "tied" to the ecliptic" (within certain celestial latitude - of course). The zodiacal stars are also tied to the ecliptic, hence projected onto ecliptic does not give so much difference. It is those stars that have very large celestial latitude that poses problem. If you were to say that Sirius (the brightest fixed star) conjuncts a planet, any planet is close to the ecliptic but Sirius is currently about 40 deg south of ecliptic. If you were to look up in the sky they are not effectively "conjunct" - they are quite far apart!

Also, in latitudes above approximately 73 deg N (90 minus the declination of Sirius or 90 - 17 = 73), Sirius never rises, hence Sirius would not (according to the ancients that follow the visual paran method) have any effect on you.

For the ancients (and those who follow the visual paran methods), we look to the planets and the stars that are in paran relationship to each other, e.g. when a star culminates or rises or sets or aniculminates and a planet also culminates or rises or sets or anticulminate, we say that they are in paran relationship to each other. So when you see (really see) a star rises and another planet culminates they are in paran relationship - in more modern terms they are in square aspect in mundo.

Hi Tom

I put a copy of the chart into your first post and I'll drop it in again here.

If anyone would like to see a copy of the chart with the essential dignities and sequence of aspects, the full chart reprentation (horary style with Placidus cusps) is given as an image in this word document which can be opened and printed or downloaded: http://skyscript.co.uk/mystery1.doc

Astrojin,

I understand what you said about the paran star method. Are you directing the stars to the planets, or the planets to the stars. And do you only count squares, like where one is on the horizon while the other is on the mid-heaven? In other words, you exclude a square where one is in the 11th house and the other is in the 8th house? And I assume that since this is all visual, that you'd exclude squares where one is on the IC and another is on the horizon, yes?

I just read the interview with Bernadette Brady and took an instant liking to her. This is a great coindidence to see her method in an example the next day. I might have to take a trip to the Amazon soon to look for here there.

One small point, why is it called the paran method? What's the origin of that?

Thanks again to everyone.

I would like a moment to agree with Tom... you never learn anything by being right, only by mistakes.

markF my reasoning was very simple... mars is in detriment in the 7th house, he rules the 7th, so this doesn?t speak of a happy marriage. Moon is also square sun in via combusta, so I guess an unhappy one.

The year I was seeing by firdaria, which is not an easy technique, but I gave a try.

markF my reasoning was very simple... mars is in detriment in the 7th house, he rules the 7th, so this doesn?t speak of a happy marriage. Moon is also square sun in via combusta, so I guess an unhappy one.

I thougt the same, except that I see Mars in the 8th whole sign house, which makes things worse with the marriage... but I'm wondering about the role of Venus, who trines Mars tightly and so receives him and gives him her "disposition, nature and virtue" as Bonatti writes. But Venus has not much virtue, being in her fall and in the 12th whole sign house - but she is in turn received by Mercury who is sextiling her, so that improves her situation. I cannot say exactly what this means , I would just say that the situation of Mars is not simple. I think I would still say that there's probably been problems with marriage.

MC is exactly on the midpoint of Sun and Mercury, which would point to a man with an influental public role involving communications / writing. MC is also on Sirius, and Robson says here: "High office under Government giving great profit and reputation". So I would say this is a famous and influental man with a public position, which involves speaking or writing.

The ruler of MC, the Moon, is close to the Ascendant, which emphasizes the strong role of his public activities in his life (this man is what he does), and she's squaring the Sun and Mercury (moiety orbs), so she receives them in her domicile. The Sun rules the 11th house of Good Spirit, hopes and wishes and friendship, and Mercury rules the 9th house of spirituality and foreign travel, maybe his activities point to that kind of areas... charity, foreign countries... missionary...? Also Saturn in the 9th house is trining the Moon the MC/10th house ruler and receiving her in his exaltation. So here's another connection of religion, philosophy and / or foreign countries and profession / life mission.

But I'm wondering the role of the Asc ruler Venus in her fall in the 12th whole sign house of self-undoing... The picture is not wholly as glorious as it would seem from the 10th house alone.

Papretis

But I'm wondering the role of the Asc ruler Venus in her fall in the 12th whole sign house of self-undoing...

Yes, and if we think that moon is in first house, and moon is exaltation of the 8th house, we got a picture of a person directed to self undoing and that this has maybe give him an early death.

I don?t think that mercury could really help venus to help mars... too far away. We can see that sun is exaltation ruler of 7th is squaring moon, which doesn?t body well to a good marriage.

Okay Tom, I?ll play, here is my 2 cents?

With Sun at the Top of the chart in Cancer, I?d say this persons best success comes from giving service to others. A public figure?
The sun seems fairly close to Wasat ? fixed star, from ann wright
General influence of the star: Connected with chemicals, poisons and gas. Violence, malevolence, destructiveness as a first principal. (Robson). Because of the Saturnine quality of this star, it gives a heaviness and tendency to pessimism. Apart from that however, Al Wasat does show up a quality of being able to speak with clear authority when others are waffling and prominence in public affairs or management is often the result. (Dr. Eric Morse) end quote?.
With Jupiter in the 10th as well, I suspect this person has gained a lot from their career. The Libra rising makes me think that public image is somewhat important, and that the person cares (moon) a great deal about justice, balance, fairness.

With Mars in Taurus I suspect this person is passionately stubborn. In the Seventh house, ruled by Mars, well really passionate. (likes to play I think)

With Uranus on the 9th house cusp, I suspect travel has been somewhat spontaneous, and education unusual. Views on Law and religion possibly a bit different than the usual.
Also aligned to ? Prima Hyadum With Uranus: Scientific, literary, artistic and mystical interests, unconsciously psychic, greatly influenced by environment, favorable for marriage after 35 and for gain and children, ill-health, seldom long life. (Robson).

Father,or family history, was possibly in the field of law or higher education, Gemini on the 9th house cusp And Mercury trying to straddle both 9th and 10th houses leads me to believe that this is a rather good orator. Someone who leads by voice. some authority-saturn in air- intellect in 9th house, higher ed, travel law divination, okay maybe daddy was a preacher but I dont think so...Saturn looks to possibly be connected to Capella- (the goat, hey ruler of Capricorn connected to goats, nimble person?) With Saturn: Shrewd, tidy fond of luxury, many detrimental habits, makes much money but does not keep it, trouble from opposite sex and domestic disharmony, bad health at end of life and afflicted in arms, legs or eyes necessitating restricted movement. (Robson). End quote?

Moon appears to be aligned with Seginus - Moon: Preferment by indirect means followed by disgrace and ruin. (Robson). End Quote in First house. Round face? More death omens..

And the Alpha Alchita of Corvus appears to be his rising ? crow? Scavenger and message deliverer.

Mercury looks to be aligned with Alhena ? (from ann wrights page) With Mercury: Popularity, benefits from opposite sex, musical arid artistic ability but little fame, domestic harmony, business adversely affected by pleasure and society. (Robson). End quote?.

Part of Fortune on the 4th cusp, person would do well to consider ancestors, home, building, land, etc in their efforts.

Venus in Virgo, makes me think this person was very serious about their physical well being, but also had some physical ailment? (the only two people who I know have Venus in Virgo, as they are related to me, are both health nuts, very physical, both play tennis, but both have some Physical ailment, so off the wall perhaps notation, but that is from a personal note) Venus in the 11, I think this person gets along well with women as friends, and is promoted quite a bit by women. The chart strikes me as a person who is both private and public at once? Possibly a public figure who doesn?t display their private life all over the front pages?

Also someone who was probably more well known either for his/her death or after his her death, the NN to the left of the MC, seems to indicate after death prominence, even as the sun on MC is saying a life of prominence? Did the person have an unusual death? 8th house ruler is Venus, who is in 11th in Virgo, Venus is in her fall in Virgo, possibly venereal or blood related disease? Something that attacks the vitality of the individual?

Almost all the planets in this chart are in the upper half, leading me to think this is a pretty public person, with moon bellow suggesting keeps emotions to self. possibly strongly involved in civil rights? Between cancer sun, libra risning and the saturn in gemini, makes me thing public defense which makes me think civil rights with the era this chart is from.

Neptune in 12, self undoing through self deception? Possibly?
Pluto aligned with the Asselli - General influence of Aselli: According to Ptolemy both the Aselli are of the nature of Mars and the Sun, but Alvidas states that the North Asellus (Asellus Borealis) is like the Sun and Mars in sextile, and the South Asellus (Asellus Astralis) like the Sun and Mars in semisquare. Together they give care and responsibility, with a charitable and fostering nature, but danger of violent death, serious accidents and burns. (Robson).
General influence of North Asellus: It gives patience, beneficence and courage, and makes its natives heroic and defiant leaders. (Robson).
The two Asellus correspond to the Sun and Mars, both these fixed stars are therefore to count as a positive influence, if in conjunction with the Ascendant, MC or stellar bodies of the same character, but especially if grouped with the Sun or Mars. These people will have an aggressive nature and will not take insults easily. They may, by their own lack of caution, or by being dare-devils, put their life in danger and they will not hesitate to use brutal and violent means. When the Asellus are with the Ascendant danger by large animals (horses, bulls) may exist. (Ebertin).
The patient donkey is a lovable creature, but it can be very self-willed and unco-operative indeed, at times of its own choosing. The Aselli (this star and the other donkey Asellus Australis) display all the moodiness of Cancer at its most negative, while in Leo. A conjunction with the Moon, Mercury, Venus or Neptune, well aspected, will often reveal the poet, painter, musician unusually gifted, composer, psychic 'medium' or astrologer. In all cases too, there is a patience for which the donkey is respected, a quality necessary for all really reliable psychism. Perhaps when the donkey is being stubborn, he is seeing something in the path which his impatient master cannot, or will not see. (Dr. Eric Morse). End quote?.

My overall impression is someone who is athletic, in the public eye, possibly civil rights activist, dies/died tragically, I think already has died because of the Venus, and all the other indicators, probably in the late 80?s or in the 90?s, but I?m fairly certain deceased. Dziben culminating just doesn?t look good. Possibly person is also related to money struggles? Failed business dealings? probably either married late or not at all, and also possibly had few children if any, I'd suspect one or two at most.

Well my two bits, am I close at all?
Granny