13 by Deb The roses connection is quite poignant ? you probably know it but I?ve just been told that the victims (or their families if they were killed) throw roses from the Bold St. bridge onto the tracks every year still (it was on the news last year), at the time of impact. Also, I?ve been exploring this on a NSW railway forum, some of whose members were involved. One wrote: It was a clash between political reality that both parties could not afford to lose the mountains or coast vote, on one hand, with bullying senior politicians and treasurers, on the other hand, who would not look at the underlying causes of why the NSWGR had started losing money (in the early 70s) and did nothing sophisticated to analyse, and then remedy, this problem. The fundamental reason why the coast/mountains vote mattered is the number of people (even more these days) who are forced to live there and take journeys that long, because of earlier political failures to manage Sydney's land and population. In the fifties (apparently) government planning suggested Sydney would stabilise with a population of 2 million, and people would live in satellite cities such as Penrith and Campbelltown, with green belts around them and fast trains taking them to Sydney. By the 70s it was obvious the government had lost control and was using the interurban areas as a residential dumping ground for surplus population. For the longer term, this clash is not resolved, if anything it is worse now. There is a bully in the 3 top jobs of relevance to NSW rail (Premier, Treasurer and Minister). The Treasury is again allowed to dictate rail spending, because the previous Minister was unable to manage. The unions continue to dictate how the government runs the system and inflate costs. The public are jack of it but can't bring themselves to vote Liberal, or in their best interests and vote Green. And now we have a whole generation who cannot buy a house in Sydney. We will probably end up with a poorly executed electrification to Moss Vale (like the last 3), not because it's really needed, but because the government continues to fail to manage the housing issue. So there seems to be a land issue connected, and Jupiter in Taurus on the 4th house cusp may be worth considering in the light of that. Does that make sense to you? Quote Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:57 pm
14 by Sue So there seems to be a land issue connected, and Jupiter in Taurus on the 4th house cusp may be worth considering in the light of that. Does that make sense to you? I've been thinking about this and I'm not convinced that it fits. What I do know is that most people who live in the Blue Mountains do so by choice. It is a beautiful area with lots of little villages. Generally speaking, it is an area that is for those a little better off than most. I don't think Sydney is different from any other city in that it is the 'less fortunate' who end up living in the outer suburbs but this train originated from an area two and a half hours out of Sydney. This wasn't a group of people who were stuck out somewhere because they couldn't get any closer. In the mid seventies the outskirts of Sydney were probably about an hour to an hour and a half from the centre of town. I think, but I'm not sure, that this would be a town planning issue controlled by local council rather than state government. What I would like to know is what the incoming government promised the people about this issue during the election campaign. In the eight months since coming to power, the government still hadn't made any moves to fix the problem. I think the issue centres around promises being broken, the taking of too many risks or just plain apathy on the part of the government. If the 11th house is the house of hopes and confidence of the nation and is ruled by Jupiter conjunct the 4th house cusp (crash chart), I'd say that the hopes were well and truly buried with this accident. Mars rules both the 10th house (those in authority) and the 3rd house (public transport) and is in the 11th house disposited by Saturn in the 6th. What the people wanted was a government that was going to fix this transport issue before someone got hurt. They certainly didn't get their wish. Quote Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:30 am
15 by Deb You?re probably right ? I agree with everything you say. When I first read your post I decided the land issue was a red herring. However, I?ve been working on something else and this keeps popping back into my mind, niggling away. The problem I am having with Jupiter on the cusp of the 4th is ? where is the expansion? Jupiter by its very nature shows an excess of something; in Taurus, an earth sign, it is connected to land issues. The 4th house is deep, underlying causes, and there may be a point that the expansion of population in the surrounding areas, all needing to travel into Sydney on that morning train, creates the kind of bottle neck pressure that drives all the other problems. Granville, the location of the accident, translates as ?big town?, which is very literally Jupiter on the 4th house cusp. I don?t think the location of the accident is pure coincidence, I think it resonates somehow towards being the perfect place for the underlying causes and observable result to find sympathetic expression. So if the place name is saying ?look again at Jupiter on the 4th house cusp? it?s worth swilling around with those issues. Quote Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:22 am
16 by Sue Okay, I'm thinking about this. But I just had a quick look at another train crash that happened on the same line in 1999. Twelve people were killed when it slammed into the 'Indian Pacific' (which was stationary at the time) that travels to Perth. Capricorn ascendant, Pisces on the 3rd house cusp and Jupiter in the 4th house. Only just looked at it so haven't thought about it but this is interesting. Quote Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:28 pm