I don?t have time right now even to calculate the chart myself, or to see it long enough, but I had a hunch... did he had an clerical/spiritual job ? If he did, maybe he misused it to accumulate power over others.

Labalance wrote:This is my first post, so I hope it's okay to add, that he(for some reason) looks like a playwright. The prominant Mercury, the Leo on the 10th and Saturn on the MC. It makes me think of someone in particular, but I'm probably wrong.

Funny, I thought of a mystery writer but haven't studied it in depth yet. But what jumped out at me, after the moon and saturn in Leo smack on top of MC from 9th, was that mercury, ruler of 8th (mystery, death, detectives, etc.) is in the 12th of matters hidden and of seclusion, and the two being in conjunction there. Both are disposited by Mars, which is in the 2nd house of money which in turn is disposited by Jupiter, in its own sign in the 1st. So it appears that the 8th, 9th, 12th, 1st and 2nd are all tied together here in a significant way to have some effect on the livlihood or finances of this individual. Also, the Almuten of his chart is Jupiter, again emphasizing 9th house matters, angular in his first which should be positive/fortunate I would think. (Unlike the last character that had Jupiter in his 1st in Sag.)


RC

Hi again,

all the planets in this chart are between the lunar north and south node, on one side of the nodal axis.
According to an old source that I can?t remember, this means that the life of the native is like split in two halves. Nelson Mandela and G.W. Bush have this in their charts.

Ren?

all the planets in this chart are between the lunar north and south node, on one side of the nodal axis. According to an old source that I can?t remember, this means that the life of the native is like split in two halves. Nelson Mandela and G.W. Bush have this in their charts.
Nelson Mandela and G.W. Bush have this in their charts.

Interesting. It doesn't sound traditional, but could you elaborate on this? I suppose you are referring to Mandella spending so much of his life behind bas and Bush's "lack of direction," in much of his early adulthood. How do you think this would apply here?

Tom

Hi Tom

Yes, in the case of Mandela I am referring to one half of his life in prison and the second part of his life as one of the most admired statesmen.
G.W. Bush was on drugs (alcohol) a good part of his life and changed to religion. Some say these are just two sides of the same coin, though (K. Marx: Religion is the opium for the people). But I would say these are two periods.
Another chart with this constellation is the one of Paul McCartney, the two halves being Beatles and non-Beatles time. He also suddenly became a vegetarian.

I don?t know any cases where the life direction turned for the worse. Maybe those would not be celebrities?

In all cases, there seems to something ?fated?. Dramatic changes occur in life, which are definite.

In Mystery Chart #15, I could imagine that the definitive life direction showed up rather late (Saturn on the MC). He must have gone through a cleansing process, because Saturn indicates soberness but the rest of the chart is rather deeply ?unconscious-emotional?, even explosive (the fixed stars and the Elements). Like e.g. the decision to become a monk.

Ren?

Hi 3D,

(K. Marx: Religion is the opium for the people)

I think he said "opiate" small difference. I have a hard time taking the word of a guy who lived with his mother most of his life.

I don?t know any cases where the life direction turned for the worse.

This is a fascinating point. I'm sure there must be some, but I can't recall any who started out as saints and became sinners. At least I can't think of anyone who became famous for it. I wouldn't count people who had angelic childhoods but became horrific adults. I'd like to see if anyone can recall an adult who led a near exemplary life and then chucked it for a life of crime or debauchery. Anyone?

This chart hasn't produced what others have. So later on I think I'll try to hit some highlights to try to generate some discussion.

Tom

Tom wrote:Hi 3D,


This is a fascinating point. I'm sure there must be some, but I can't recall any who started out as saints and became sinners. At least I can't think of anyone who became famous for it. I wouldn't count people who had angelic childhoods but became horrific adults. I'd like to see if anyone can recall an adult who led a near exemplary life and then chucked it for a life of crime or debauchery. Anyone?


Tom

Off the top of my head which is rather preoccupied of late, I think of a couple people:

1) The guy in California who had a good education, good family, etc, religious and decided to become a terrorist and join up with Al quida and Osama Bin Laden.

2) Osama Bin Laden himself. He grew up very normal, extremely wealthy family, very religious. His friends said he would not hurt a flie or fight back when attacked due to his spiritual beliefs and scolded one friend who tried to fight to take up for him in one instance. Now he's a monster, killing innocent people, not for religion but political views.

Bin Laden would fit your description better than the first. Many people don't know how pious he was in his earlier years.

Regards,

RC

Hi,

We don't have to look very far to find an example of a man whose second half of his life was worse than the first half, and with all planets on one side of the lunar nodes:

Our mystery chart No. 14 is that of Dr. Sam Sheppard.
In 16 years, from 1954 when he had a trophy wife, house on a cliff overlooking the water, a boat and two cars (an outrageous luxury in the early 1950s), successful profession and everything seemingly going his way, he became a convicted murderer, narrowly avoided the death penalty, served 10 years in prison, and although ultimately acquitted, he went on a downward spiral from a completely broken man to a miserable death.

Other similarities include Moon at the MC, Jupiter in Sagittarius and nodal axis from Hs 9 to Hs 3.
Sorry for not noticing earlier.

Regarding his profession (Mystery Chart 15), I can?t help it but I?m reminded of Albert Schweitzer, the bush doctor, fighting for a just cause ? abroad.

Best regards
Ren?

Hi Tom,

I think he said "opiate" small difference. I have a hard time taking the word of a guy who lived with his mother most of his life.

I?m not a Marx admirer either (by the way, his chart looks just as bad as Hitler's) but some of his statements still have value. Regarding your critique, his exact statement was ?Religion ist das Opium des Volkes?. I leave the translation up to you.

Regards
Ren?

The placement of all (traditional) planets on the same side of the nodes is interesting, but when you consider that everyone born for 2 weeks at this period had this configuration the interest wanes. Then for 2 weeks all births had the Moon alone on the other side of the nodes ? another configuration that is said to have meaning. Then it was back to all on the same side for 2 weeks. Too bad, it seems like it should mean something. If it does mean anything it would have to be very subtle and easily applied to a group of contemporaries rather than specific to an individual.

Hi,

Quote:
all the planets in this chart are between the lunar north and south node, on one side of the nodal axis. According to an old source that I can?t remember, this means that the life of the native is like split in two halves. Nelson Mandela and G.W. Bush have this in their charts.
Nelson Mandela and G.W. Bush have this in their charts.

Tom:

Interesting. It doesn't sound traditional, but could you elaborate on this?

Vedic astrologers talk about such a thing. I am sure I had read this in a vedic astrologer's book. They attach some karmic importance to it [all traditional planets being in one side of the nodal axis].

I myself have this configuration too. But never have seen anything so karmic to attach specifically to this configuration. Maybe because I don't think like vedics.

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