MarkC wrote:I agree with all Tom has said. If I could only have one book it would still be Robson for horary.

Ordered it, now can't wait to receive it!

MarkC wrote: One other book I would recommend is by George Noonan called 'Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology' Noonan like Robson is using fixed stars from a traditional perspective. Apart from his focus on fixed star meanings you will gain insights into the traditional approach to mundane astrology and the use of fixed stars in eclipse charts. You can order it from the Astrology Center of America.

http://www.astroamerica.com/stars.html

The fixed star expert Diana Rosenberg has also produced a useful fixed star pack with her interpretations of the fixed stars. I like the way she gives a three way possible interpretation of each star depending on whether its expressed in a negative, neutral or positive way. She is not strictly traditional ( she is a Uranian astrologer) but has a lot of useful insights. You can order the pack from her website.

http://ye-stars.com/

I would also recommend checking out all the excellent articles Deb has written on the constellations here on skyscript. Pulled together these give a wealth of information on fixed star and constellation meanings. Also if you go to her list of the 20 Brightest stars you will see short delineations of these important stars from a traditional perpective.

Will check these out as well.
Thanks,
RC

Hello RC,

Yes sorry I did mean the 'New Fixed Star Workbook' by Diana Rosenberg. To be frank its very low tech. Just loose leaf A4 sheets with her delineations of the about 85 stars , nebula etc.

Her delineations begin with her natal interpretation of a star and conclude with keywords that summarise what it may be associated with from mundane or event charts. She does agree with Brady that Algol doesn't always live up to its grim reputation in natal charts but fully supports the traditional line on it for mundane/event charts she has examined. Rosenberg is generally more willing than Brady to acknowledge the darker dimension of some traditionally malefic stars.

However, she also believes all stars can be expressed more positively natally. For example she claims her research shows Algol is prominent in the charts of many astrologers!

While Robson is very useful for horary, electional or mundane its good to have a balance to his very negative interpretation of many stars in respect of natal charts. Unlike an event people do have a degree of free will!

Rosenberg says on this issue:

''There are no wholly benefic or wholly malefic stars. Each one proffers energies that may be used for good or ill. ?stars and constellations, rather than being ?good? or ?bad? , embody a polarity of issues, concerns and struggles that must be addressed in this lifetime, where the free will of the individual is tasked with the responsibility of choosing, manifesting and actively expressing the positive polarity. While a few may fail to even try, others might overcome great difficulties and achieve success, both spiritual and worldly. ''

Her approach is very different to Brady. She will use stars that do not rise in the latitude of a nativity/event. For example she uses the star Bungula (aka Toliman,Rigil Kentaurus, Alpha Centauri) which cannot be seen above a latitude of 30N in charts for people living in Europe or North America. She believes the effects of stars should be seen as planetary along a line of the ecliptic not just local as Brady insists. Brady's approach does seem closer to what astrologers originally did ie looked for stars/planets rising or culminating or setting with each other in the real sky. However, from the time of Ptolemy astrologers have increasingly relied more and more on star catalogues (such as the Almagest) which project the position stars on to the ecliptic. Brady's approach represents the revival of an older tradition that can be traced back to the Babylonians and Egyptians.

In essence the difference is one between symbolic and visual reality. Personally, I think both approaches are valid.

This discussion is very useful indeed. I'm not into 'black hole'stuff myself and it's good to read opinions and ideas from others who have these books and how they find the delineations - helpful or otherwise.Thanks.

R.C.

Do you have your new book as yet - if so how do you find it yourself? It's a very good time for us to buy right now with our $AUD up to 00.90 $USA.

New Moon today as well @ 17/30 Libra. Good Vibes! Just a degree of my Jupiter - expanding knowledge through others!

Julie k

Julie K wrote:This discussion is very useful indeed. I'm not into 'black hole'stuff myself and it's good to read opinions and ideas from others who have these books and how they find the delineations - helpful or otherwise.Thanks.

R.C.

Do you have your new book as yet - if so how do you find it yourself?
Julie k

Not yet...
Still waiting.

RC

I'm not into 'black hole'stuff myself and it's good to read opinions and ideas from others who have these books and how they find the delineations - helpful or otherwise.


Hello Julie,

I am not into 'deep space astrology' all that much either but its hard to avoid black holes! Astronomers now believe the centre of our galaxy at around 26 Sagittarius on the ecliptic/ 28S declination is a massive black hole!

They also believe our solar system revolves in a 225 million year 'cosmic year' around the galactic centre. I am interested in this point in charts although I don't want to jump to what it might mean as some astrologers have done. Dane Rudhyar has written a whole book on the subject but that alone might put off the ultra traditionalists here!

If I recall correctly the Midheaven on the Australian national chart falls precisely on the galactic centre and its declination cuts through central Australia too.

In more traditional terms things like nebula were always observed along with fixed stars.

Mark,

I live @ Latitude 27S - !

The chart for Australia - January 01, 1900 @ 1.35.42 pm Sydney
33S52 151E13

Th Asc is 27/37 Aries. Jupiter is @ 26/00 conj Mercury @ 27/54 - 8th - Cusp 9th is 29/40 Sagittarius read as 9th House planets. M/H @ 2/57 Aquarius. This chart is from the Campion data.

Julie K

Hello Julie,

Ah my memory failing me! It was the Jupiter in the 9th in Sag on the galactic centre I was thinking of.

A minor point but I see Campion gives the Australian Federation chart ( proclamation) for Melbourne not Sydney and the local time is 13.25 not 13.35 so your data is a few degrees out. That gives an ASC of 21'23 Aries.

This site claims to be using Campion's data: http://www.dominantstar.com/tra_nationspage.htm

Mark

MarkC,

Yes the Australian chart is drawn up for Melbourne as you say. It is often re-located to Canberra where Fed Parliament now sits.

The date for the Federal Election was announced today on Mid-day news ABC @ 12.03 pm.The date is November 24th, 2007 - six weeks of the TV and radio commercials etc!

Julie K