13 by Frank Here is yesterday's correspondence: ------------ Dear Mr. McGourty: Could you please provide me with the correct link for detailed information on the study, "How well do Zodiac Birth Signs Predict Occupations?" The link in the article on the Web merely directs me to your home page. It is hoped that details will include an abstract, research methods, and a clear conclusion. Could you also tell me if any astrologers were consulted when undertaking this study? Sincerely, Frank Piechoski Media Watch Chair Association For Astrological Networking (AFAN) ----------- -----Original Message----- From: Vince McGourty [mailto:Vince.McGourty@hcdi.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:47 PM To: Frank Piechoski Cc: grkessler@hcdi.net Subject: RE: How well do Zodiac Birth Signs Predict Occupations? Frank: You can go to www.mediacurves.com to see all of the data on the study. The data is in the form of PowerPoint slides. We conducted a national study during which we asked birth dates and occupations. We then matched the data to determine if there was any direct correlation. The press release is essentially the abstract for the study. No, astrologers were not consulted. Thanks for your interest. Vince McGourty --------------- Dear Vince: Thank you for your prompt response. Could you please provide me with a direct URL to the PowerPoint slides - I seem to be unable to find a link on the www.mediacurves.com site. On another point, don't you think it's a bit strange to engage in a research study without actually consulting experts on, or practitioners of, the subject you are studying? Also, was your study self-selecting based on driving respondents to a Web site to answer the questions? Or was a true random sample taken? Was any attempt made to look at more than Sun signs? Were birth times provided? How was the submitted data verified? Would you be willing to turn over your raw data to researchers who would examine and attempt to replicate your study? Thank you again. Sincerely, Frank Piechoski ------------ From: Vince McGourty [mailto:Vince.McGourty@hcdi.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:18 PM To: Frank Piechoski Subject: RE: How well do Zodiac Birth Signs Predict Occupations? We did a nationally representative random quantitative sample. We didn't consult experts because our objective was to simply correlate birth date with profession. We saw no reason to consult with experts. Vince ---------- Dear Vince: Thank you gain for your response. Unfortunately, you've neglected to include all of my previous message, so I'll re-include my expanded points below. I understand what you've said, but that doesn't answer the questions posed previously. 1. Could you please provide me with a direct URL to the PowerPoint slides - I seem to be unable to find a link on the www.mediacurves.com site. I did find a .PDF that shows some results, but no metion of methodology. How do those numbers relate to your hypothesis (if you have one)? 2. Also, was your study self-selecting based on driving respondents to a Web site to answer the questions? 3. Was a true random sample taken? How was it accomplished? 4. Was any attempt made to look at more than Sun signs? 5. Were birth times provided? 6. How was the submitted data verified? 7. Your assertion that, "The press release is essentially the abstract for the study." is spurious at best. It has neither the information contained in, nor is in the format of, a formal abstract. 8. "No astrologers were not consulted." "We saw no reason to consult with experts." These statements speak for themselves. How would you expect a study to be taken seriously when you admit this? 9. What exactly was your agenda for publishing this piece? And something new: 10. How do you explain that the sign Cancer shows a much higher percentage in category P9 - in fact the highest percentage (29%) in ANY category - [Other Healthcare Professional (e.g., nurse, physician assistant, diabetes educator, pharmacist)]. Are you even aware that the sign Cancer is associated with nurturing? It seems that at least on this one point, your company's research is showing exactly the opposite of what your press release claims. Sincerely, Frank Piechoski Media Watch Chair Association For Astrological Networking (AFAN) ---------------- From: Vince McGourty [mailto:Vince.McGourty@hcdi.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:25 PM To: Frank Piechoski Cc: grkessler@hcdi.net Subject: RE: How well do Zodiac Birth Signs Predict Occupations? 1. www.mediacurves.com ---all results are there. 2. No -- used random sampling scientific recruiting methodology 3. Yes -- see answer above. 4. No -- birth signs and occupation. 5. No. 6. A professional staff of analysts. 7. It's a summary of results. 8. Individuals make their own decision to take it seriously or not. 9. Entertainment 10. Wouldn't attempt to explain -- I leave that to the experts. ------------ Dear Vince: Thank you again for your response. If you are unable or unwilling to give complete answers to my questions, could you please point me toward someone who can? I'm mostly concerned with the "random sampling scientific recruiting methodology" - what methods were used? I'm familiar with various recruiting methods, I just want to know the exact methodology. As far as your answer to number 9 was concerned, why didn't you state in your press release that it was "for entertainment only?" I find it difficult to believe that there was no other agenda behind this "study." Who funded it? Sincerely, Frank Piechoski ----------- And I haven't heard back since about 5 p.m. EST yesterday. Frank Piechoski Quote Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:07 pm
14 by aquirata Same old, same old. People with an agenda masquerading as scientific researchers, pushing their agenda, misrepresented as a scientific study, down the throat of a gullible audience via the news-hungry media. What's the best astrological configuration for this? Peter Quote Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:09 pm
15 by Tom Thanks for taking the trouble Frank. More than ever I am persuaded that this is an advocacy group. I don't know anything significant about the proper methods of performing such a research project, but I wonder why a media group would do so without being paid to do it. They're pushing something. Tom Quote Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:02 pm
16 by Coffee Tom wrote:I like the remark that "astrology is big business." I wonder what scientific study they used to reach that conclusion. I'll bet all those rich astrologers were shaking in their indoor swimming pools when their butlers brought them that news release. Tom Not the butler, I think it was the gardener, maid, au pair, or security attendant. I forget which! Astrologers seem a different bunch than the rest, I guess a little more ethical than most. So money may not be high on the list, besides earning to keep this free time for studying. But still, I earned plenty from betting, which covered a fair amount of astrology, 5-6 months profit (and a good wage out of it) in as many months, says it can be done. Quote Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:05 pm