Sunny Dawn wrote:Pete, not to jump on you, or anything, but your "strong feeling" is no substitute for a system that was carefully observed and validated by roughly 3200 BCE, around the time of The Mahabarata. Western classical astrologers had not yet crawled out of the cradle and figured out how to point at the sky by this date.
Yes, this is probably what they teach in jyotish courses, but it?s not true. For example Martin Gansten, a Swedish astrologer who has made his PhD dissertation about Nadi astrology and who knows both Sanskrit and the historic origins of astrology in East and West, writes on his netsite
http://www.martingansten.se/astrologi/a ... toria.html
?B?de indiska och v?sterl?ndska ut?vare av indisk astrologi vill kanske just av denna anledning tro att den horoskopiska astrologin har sitt ursprung i Indien, men det faktum att samtliga astrologiska sanskrittexter inneh?ller stora m?ngder tekniska grekiska l?nord visar tydligt att s? inte ?r fallet. Det ?r heller inte korrekt att kalla indisk astrologi ?vedisk?, som ofta g?rs i dag, och det b?r p?pekas att detta spr?kbruk ?r en amerikansk nyskapelse fr?n 1980-talet: det finns ingen horoskopisk astrologi i Veda, och indiska astrologer har sj?lva aldrig tidigare beskrivit sin praktik som vedisk.
To translate this in English:
?Both Indian and Western practitioners of Indian astrology will probably solely on this ground think that horoscopic astrology has its origins in India, but the fact, that all astrological texts written in Sanskrit contain a lot of technical vocabulary taken straight from Greek, shows that this is not true. Neither it?s correct to call Indian astrology ?Vedic?, like it?s often done today, and it must be pointed out that this usage is an American invention from the 1980?s: there is no horoscopic astrology in Vedas, neither have Indian astrologers ever themselves called their astrology Vedic until now.
Gansten is not a Western astrologer who would be hostile or dismissive to astrology of India, or who would have cultural biases ? he is a jyotishi himself who has simply studied this subject in depth, also in India.
Sunny Dawn wrote:Ardra is research oriented with a probing intellect. It spends a lot of time making careful, penetrating observations. Albert Einstein had an Ardra Moon. The association with "air travel" or anything to do with the heavens is how Rahu manifests here.
Yes, at least Prash Trivedi presents Ardra this way in his book about nakshatras. But this interpretation doesn?t work very well in real charts. Again, I studied 67 charts that have three or more planets in Ardra and as in general with the Air signs, the preponderance is on warmth and moistness (and yes, I?m mixing traditional astrology from East and West here, because it works) ? that is, on sanguine sociability, extraversion, worldliness etc. Some modern jyotishis see Gemini as an intellectual or aloof sign, but that interpretation comes solely from modern tropical Western astrology, and that?s real mixing of two systems. Sidereal Gemini is not like its tropical counterpart.
Here?s some descriptive examples of people with prominent Ardra. All the quotes are from AstroDatabank:
- Loni Anderson, and actor with Venus, Rahu and the Moon in Ardra ??Anderson also did movies, including
Born Yesterday, 1970, in which she discovered that she could play a bimbo well??
- Anne Murray, a pop and country singer with Mercury, Rahu and Saturn in Ardra, ??In concerts, she has tried to transform and update her image by sporting short, spiky blonde hair, wearing hems above the knees with sexy tights and telling risqu? jokes??
- Luisa Tetrazzini, the greatest coloratura soprano of pre-WW I history with the Ascendant, Rahu, the Sun and Jupiter in Ardra, ??Every six or seven weeks she would declare 'Ah no singa tonight.' The impresario, at his wit's end, would ask why and she would say, 'Ah wants a man.' When a man was found who would give his all for the cause of opera, after one look at the great diva, he often needed a bit of pecuniary incentive to conclude his part of the bargain. The result was a superb performance by the prima donna. Tetrazzini exemplified the life force as much as she did bel canto, and the sheer exuberance of her singing can still set a room on fire??
- Starlady, an astrologer with Ketu, Mercury and Mars in Ardra, ??known as a character who floats her ample size through a conference in a flowing dress and a huge, magnificent hat. When asked where she got her hat, she quips, ?I made it. Darling you can't buy trash like this.???
- Milton Berle, a TV comedian with Rahu, Mercury and Venus in Ardra, ??Enormously funny, with great energy and versatility, he laid out rapid gags and broad clowning, and was named ?the television star of the year???
- Empress Soraya Pahlavi, first wife of the Shah of Iran with the Sun, Venus and Mercury in Ardra, ??Stylish and cosmopolitan, [after the divorce] she joined the jet-set life style??
Of course there was diversity in the biographies, but the group as a whole didn't show any specific emphasis on intellectualism or analytic study.
I don't know. The first thing that comes to my mind is that could that be an example of an exalted Ketu (I still hold the opinion that Rahu is exalted in Gemini and Ketu in Sagittarius)? Certain dignified ascetism, how you hold yourself together and have immerse self-discipline no matter what. Of course I'm thinking here the time when Princess Diana died, when the Queen tried first to keep it all dignified and to follow the traditional procedures. And okay, here we have again Hitler and his Ketu in Sagittarius...