13 by Cornelia A Dictionary of the English Language by Samuel Johnson is available on Google Books in full text. Search on "A Dictionary of the English Language 1822". Very useful for any of us who need to know "age appropriate"usage. Quote Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:09 pm
14 by pankajdubey Tom wrote:I couldn't help myself. I started persuing books and pulled out Masha'allah's book On Reception translated and edited by Rob Hand. This booklet is primarily concerned with horary astrology. ..... Hand's observation puts Masha'allah in the Frawley camp ...., but rather that the void Moon indicates more than "nothing will happen." Tom Masha'allah will surely feel blessed at the choice of camps I remember a similar discussion on Agnelicus Merlin where I had quoted Shakespeare sonnet for something ?? Shakespears seems to use "Voyd" for what we now use "devoid" Hamlet-"What eyes were so voyd of moisture but would distill a field of tears" This seems to be the theme even in the translations done in era preceeding Lilly- Elizabethan http://www.elizabethanauthors.com/ovid15.htm So, the meaning of voyd did not seem to have changed in a Century before lilly or after him. It seems it is better to call moon as 'devoid of course' or 'off its course' or as having no plan or a route map in its action. PD Quote Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:01 pm
15 by aglaya Hard to believe what a single word can do! I've enjoyed your discussion so much. English is not my first language but I do consider it to be "my language" especially since I'm (hopefully) a future owner of a PhD on Shakespeare's plays (so, in a way, it's the Elizabethan English that is my second language, rather than its modern version ) and, that said- I did spot that there was a slight difference between the definition of the word "void" in Astrological literature and its common meaning in the works of Shakespeare and other authors of the same era. I guess my impressions pretty went go along with what pankajdubey has already said: It seems it is better to call moon as 'devoid of course' or 'off its course' or as having no plan or a route map in its action. But, being just a Horary student, I haven't really been paying a lot of attention to that (though, after dedicating my whole education to "(Shakespeare's) words", I guess I should have! ). Thank you all for this precious thread! aglaya Quote Sat Jun 20, 2009 1:48 pm
16 by johannes susato Perhaps this sentence of Lilly himself can help a little in interpreting the meaning of "hardly" in his intent (would someone give the page where to find the Frawley-sentence in CA please?): Lilly, CA, p. 299: "9 Generally consider the state of the Moon, for if she be void of course, there's no great hopes of the Question propounded, that it shall be effected; . . . " Isn't this just 'hardly' (modern? meaning) or 'scarcely' in other words? But as not being a native speaker I can't make a decision about this. Last edited by johannes susato on Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:32 pm, edited 3 times in total. Quote Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:28 pm
17 by johannes susato Sorry, but the page of the quotation above was wrong!!! It is page 299 ! Now corrected. Quote Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:14 pm