This is available in English too. See: ''Late Classical Astrology: Paulus Alexandrinus & Olympiodorus'', translated by Dorian Gieseler Greenbaum (Arhat publications)

The Monomoiria are laid out in an easy to follow table form in her translation.

Do you have this translation? if yes what do you think about the two above mentioned fragments?

To Gjiada,

If you are mentioning Oliompiodoro comment to Paulus Alexandrinus, it could be found even in "Introduzione all'astrologia" , Mimesis, year 2000, Bezza's Italian translation of Paulus work.

Yes this is the translation that I have too on the CD that I mentioned earlier.
Have you read Introduzione all'astrologia? if yes, can you please tell us what's your opinion about the use of monomoiria (you have the advantage of language)?

Do you have this translation? if yes what do you think about the two above mentioned fragments?

Hi Sasha,

Yes I do have it. I do remember scanning this section on the monomoiria and being very interested in the idea. However, I would need to re-visit those sections before I could offer a really a considered opinion. I will have a look over the weekend and get back on this.

sasha_i wrote: Yes this is the translation that I have too on the CD that I mentioned earlier.
Have you read Introduzione all'astrologia? if yes, can you please tell us what's your opinion about the use of monomoiria (you have the advantage of language)?

I read the book but I never tried it.
I don't know if the English version is the same (Italian one is full of other texts so I don't understand very well how the book is organized) but in chapter 5 scholium 15 they write "Omit these one (monomoiria of stars)and apply yourself to the 30th chapter (monomoiria of triplicities)"
Do you have the same in English version?
Is it the one given in Bezza CD?

Anyway from this sentence I understand that monomoiria of triplicities is more important than the first method. This is my interpretation, at least.

I gave a look to my (Italian) Liber Hermetis but it seems to me there is nothing about this method. Anyway I was very quick in checking so i could be wrong.

Gjiada:

I gave a look to my (Italian) Liber Hermetis but it seems to me there is nothing about this method. Anyway I was very quick in checking so i could be wrong.

I dont recall seeing anything in the English version either. However, I may have missed it as I have been focusing on the references to fixed stars. Another one to check out over the weekend...

MarkC wrote:Hi,

I have just come across this interesting article by Ema Kurent on the Monomoria. These were the the different planets linked to each degree of the zodiac by hellenistic astrologers. They seem to have been used by the hellenistic astrologers as a supplement to the usual 5 essential dignities. The article shows the Monomoiria in practice in relation to famous nativities.

http://www.geocities.com/arsenicobr/monomoiria.doc

I had noticed these in Dorian Greenbaum's translation of Paulus but the article really helps to flesh out the practical use of the Monomoiria.

The table of monomoiria in Ema Kurent's article uses zero and we all know that the zero whas not used in hellenistic times. In Schmidt's [Project Hindsight's] translation (1), the table of Monomoiria starts at 1 and ends at 30...

May I ask which table one should work with?


(1) Paulus Alexandrinus, Introductory Matters, page 14

Hello Jerd

Welcome to Skyscript!

The table of monomoiria in Ema Kurent's article uses zero and we all know that the zero whas not used in hellenistic times. In Schmidt's [Project Hindsight's] translation (1), the table of Monomoiria starts at 1 and ends at 30...

May I ask which table one should work with?
(1) Paulus Alexandrinus, Introductory Matters, page 14

I only found the article by accident while scanning the web for something else. I didn't consult with the author first so I hope she is content for it to be posted on the forum like this. I just thought it was an excellent way to get a discussion going on this fascinating topic. I think Ema's article was written quite a few years ago and the web link is to a rough draft. I believe a more complete final version of the article appeared in the UK Astrological Association journal some years ago.

I have been informed the author is a member of the skyscript forum so she will hopefully speak for herself regarding her paper and where her understanding on this topic has to got to since she wrote the draft article.

I do not have any definitive answers for you on this. Perhaps more knowledgeable students of the hellenistic techniques do. I am still learning about this whole area myself. I simply opened the topic to share and hopefully learn more.

I have a different translation of Paulus as mine is by Dorian Greebaum. As I indicated earlier I will be checking it out myself over the weekend and will try and get back when I have studied it more thoroughly.

thank you for your reply MarkC,

I also have Dorian Greenbaum's translation of Paulus and will check for this topic. I did see something relating to the monomoiria by Trigon on p134, but then the article does not focus on that study.

Although a full time astrologer for the last 30 years, I am also new to Hellenistic techniques and find it quite amazing! I have yet a lot to learn in that department though.

Nice of you to welcome me aroud...

Gjiada wrote:

I don't know if the English version is the same (Italian one is full of other texts so I don't understand very well how the book is organized) but in chapter 5 scholium 15 they write "Omit these one (monomoiria of stars)and apply yourself to the 30th chapter (monomoiria of triplicities)"
Do you have the same in English version?
Is it the one given in Bezza CD?

My version is also in Italian, but at the end of the chapter 5 I have two fragments. The second one, the one I mentioned earlier, explain that this chapter should be corroborated with chapter 8, 9 and 10

I am quoting from the second fragment (named scolio 15):
"Viene stabilita la tabella della monomoiria, la quale giova a conoscere i segni che hanno affinita tra loro pur se fossero disgiunti e remoti e alla conoscenza dei segni che hanno uguale cintura e che sminuiscono il lor carattere nocivo per il loro ritrovarsi nei medesimi domicili o per l'ascendere in uguali tempi o per l'essere configurati. Leggi l'otavo, il nono e il decimo capitolo e confrontali con questa tabela della monomoiria e leggi inoltre tutto il commmento a Paolo a partire dalla meta dell'otavo capitolo"

Hi again Gjiada:

I have also the passage mentioned by you in the end of scolio 15, but in the first part of scolio 15 in my version is the text above mentioned

sasha_i wrote:
I am quoting from the second fragment (named scolio 15):
"Viene stabilita la tabella della monomoiria, la quale giova a conoscere i segni che hanno affinita tra loro pur se fossero disgiunti e remoti e alla conoscenza dei segni che hanno uguale cintura e che sminuiscono il lor carattere nocivo per il loro ritrovarsi nei medesimi domicili o per l'ascendere in uguali tempi o per l'essere configurati. Leggi l'otavo, il nono e il decimo capitolo e confrontali con questa tabela della monomoiria e leggi inoltre tutto il commmento a Paolo a partire dalla meta dell'otavo capitolo"

Well, reading this it seems to me that monomoiria of stars is not a dignity but a familiarity. In fact they mention chapter 8 (signs seeing each other), 9 (signs commanding and obeying) and 10 (trine, exagon, square and diameter).

Anyway, I have not experience with this method.
I see that they use the monomoiria of triplicities to rectify the chart. Someone tried this method?

Good to see you back!

Well reading the fragment, this seems to be the logical conclusion to me (if I understand it well-Italian isn't my first language). the text doesn't mention explicitly the mitigating effect of monomoiria.

Thanks

I tried to find the Greek text of Olimpiodorus about monomoiria in my collection of Greek texts, but until now I discovered only a chapter about monomoiria calculated according to the second system (trigon).
I am very, very weak at Greek, but probably after many hours I will understand something.