Great entry, Malcolm!
Thank you!

And I cracked up today because apparently the CERN apparatus has had to be shut down temporarily due to some glitch in the mechanics.

Oh, long live the Mercury shadow! They should have consulted an astrologer before launching.

GH

>The charts that Mike and Amelia posted for the formation of CERN (on the >LHC startup/CERN) thread will be activated by the Jupiter/Neptune >conjunction next summer, and also by the Jupiter/Uranus conjunctions in >2010 and 2011.

Hi mentioning Neptune reminds me of the fact that we are in the era of Neptune's first birthday - its return to its Discover degree in the 26th degree of Aquarius. At the time of its discovery it was conjunct Saturn and the rational scientific world view shaped everything. That same time gave us Charles Darwin who had that conjunction highlighted in his chart.

I really see Neptune's long journey as one of shaping the "world view" how we "see" the World. The romance of the world if you wish. Outer pairings with Neptune colour that world view.

CERN's accidental "birthing" of the World Wide Web happened under the Capricornian conjunction of Uranus and Neptune. Unfettered boundless intellect shaping a new world in Saturn's technological realms.

As Neptune has marched on into the more Societal Saturnian realm of Aquarius the whole weave of social fabric has been transformed by that electronic world vision.

Notice how the conjunction of Jupiter and Neptune in May 2009 is actually conjunct the Saturn/Neptune conjunction, in Neptune's dscovery chart!!!
I wonder if there really will be a new understanding that reality is really not what we think at all!

I guess that Jupiter Neptune conjunction also has some relevance to the faith versus science arguments since Darwin's Neptune/Saturn worldview is such an anathema to a religious worldview (sort of in keeping with Jupiter/Neptune too I guess).

mike c

Actually the thing about Physics I always liked is that a law really is a law, unlike chemistry there are no 20+ qualifiers attached to a law in Physics, there are however a lot of theories. And Currently things such as anti-matter and Dark Matter, etc. are all theory. Lovely mathematical equations that express all kinds of idea, but have little or no supporting examples.

There is also a lot of Philosophy, generally called Mathematics, involved within experiments. One of the biggest problems here is that you are working with some serious chaos theory and really the Uncertainty quotient here must be astounding.

Of course I haven't ever known that to stop a scientist from going forth and experimenting. No matter how much they look you seriously in the eye and tell you they've thought of all contingencies... um take it with a grain of salt.

On the other hand, I really dont expect the world to end. I'm certainly not holding my breath waiting for any such occurance.

Granny
fysics is phun!

The CERN accellerator is down and for the time being and the financial markets suddenly turned and is taking a breather from the fear of a 'black hole' effect and a financial melt down.

Financial guru Peter Warren said in Norway that with the current financial crises brought the world to the brink of the end of civilization as we know it.

I suppose we will have to watch out when they start the accellerator up again, won't we?

Yes - the Collider came on-stream when the Sun and Saturn conjunction opposite Uranus was lit up by the Lunar transit casting a trine to the conjunction was also applying to sextile with Uranus.

That was quite descriptive I thought - a scientific experiment (Saturn) into high energy physics (Uranus) achieving "first light" (Sun/Moon)

Now we are told it's damaged and there will be delays just as the transit of Mars throws a quincunx to Uranus (damaging accident causing adjustment to plans quite reasonably shown there - supported by tr. Mars being conjunct tr. Mercury too )

mike c

The CERN accellerator is down and for the time being and the financial markets suddenly turned

Hi -
I guess if you could draw one obvious analogy between CERN and the financial crisis it would be that both are seen through the lens of hyper-inflated fears with little basis in reality!

Its hardly surprising that Jupiter's station and return to direct motion should "up the ante" and inflate those Saturnian/Virgo fears with its self-doubt and lack of faith in the ability to understand and skillfully handle things etc.. especially when staring at the unpredictablity of Uranus!
mike c

Jupiter and Pluto stationary at the same time added to the pressure! The two of them sort of needled the moment!

Oh - and before we begin, who's paying for this?
(Just a phrase that came to mind.)

Andrew J. Bevan wrote:Oh - and before we begin, who's paying for this?
(Just a phrase that came to mind.)

It's alright, Andrew - apparently the American taxpayer is going to be paying for everything.

Thanks for pointing out the Neptune return, Mike; that Neptune/Jupiter conjunction next summer looks more and more interesting.

Malcolm

Thanks for pointing out the Neptune return, Mike;

hi malcolm thats quite alright - with a very very tight conjunction twixt Mercury and Neptune in my chart - I guess its not surprising that I should babble on about matters Neptunian!

Re Dark Matter: I've just been googling and discovered it was first mentioned in 1933 by astronomer Fritz Zwicky. I've no publication date but that year had a Square between Uranus and Pluto! Fritz Zwicky was born feb 14 1898 in Varna Bulgaria, so his natal chart would have an opposition twixt Saturn and Pluto. Pluto closing into conjunction with Neptune

Somehow the Pluto aspect connections seems fitting for dark matter. Its worth mentioning that many people think it will be discovered fairly soon, not first at CERN but in underground laboratories (Pluto again!) especially the facility in Boulby in Yorkshire UK, which is an old underground salt mine.

Incidentally Zwicky's birthchart has a 26th degree of Aquarius Sun so he's conjunct with that Neptune discovery degree and that Jupiter/Neptune conjunction in May next year!!!
mike c

Dark Matter ... was first mentioned in 1933 by astronomer Fritz Zwicky. I've no publication date but that year had a Square between Uranus and Pluto!

Hi Mike

I don't know when he made his observations, but in late 1932 that Uranus/Pluto square received a tight semi-square/sesquiquadrate from a Jupiter/Neptune conjunction (though I don't see any obvious resonance with his birth-chart). According to Wikipedia the idea was largely ignored until 1975 when Vera Rubin announced observations that seemed to require it. The observations were apparently made in 1974 (according to a BBC site) - in late 1974 Jupiter, Neptune and Pluto were all closely aspecting that 1932 Jupiter/Neptune conjunction (by opposition, square & semi-sextile respectively, with Jupiter and Neptune both sequiquadrate the 1932 Pluto).

It's interesting to speculate like this, but I suspect the chance of finding robust connections is very slim. My feeling is that important planetary configurations correspond to moments of decision rather than events, so the dates that ideas are presented publicly (which are the dates that are recorded) are less significant than the times when observations are made. But I'll guess that the most significant times astrologically are the moment of interpretation - the moment when Zwicky perhaps rejected an even wilder explanation in favour of 'dark matter', and the moments when Vera Rubin understood the significance of what she had seen and connected her observations to his. And those are moments whose timing we can never know.

It might be interesting to look at where the galaxies they observed map onto the ecliptic - but having skimmed Mark's explanations in the Scheat thread I don't think I'll go that way!

Somehow the Pluto aspect connections seems fitting for dark matter. Its worth mentioning that many people think it will be discovered fairly soon

When I look at how many unverifiable assumptions lie behind cosmological theories, I find it hard to have any faith in any of them. As an example, most of what we infer about the universe is based on the assumption that 'the gravitational constant' is a universal constant rather than a local one. It's a very sensible working assumption - in fact it would be positively foolish not to explore that possibility first - but believing it is another matter, especially when it leads to conclusions (such as 'Space expanding') that defy reason.

The faith that the scientific establishment has in some of these theories seems to me to stem more from a fear of ignorance than from real understanding - a fear of having to say "We just don't know". Even if they turn out to be right, I think it's essentially illusion. I'd say their faith in the theories belongs to Neptune more than to Pluto - perhaps another side of the 'Masters of the Universe' syndrome that took hold of the financial sector.

Since Andrew wondered if there is some kind of synchronicity operating between 'dark matter' and the financial turmoil, perhaps it's worth mentioning that 1932/33, when Zwicky made his observations, was when Roosevelt was elected and implemented the New Deal that pulled the USA out of the Depression. It was 3 years after the Great Crash, so it's a bit of a stretch, but it's something to consider.

Malcolm

My feeling is that important planetary configurations correspond to moments of decision rather than events,

hi I guess its possible to "have it both ways" ie major configurations encapsulating both the germ of an event in decisions etc, along with its consequences, with faster moving planetary applications etc to the configuration denoting events.

I personally tend to do that anyway since I'm not a fan of using outer planet aspects to define events by themselves.

One other thing - the physics as "just theory". One thing you mentioned was anti -matter. One concrete use of that particular theory is in medical brain scanners using the Positron, which is the mirror image reversed charge "anti-matter" version of an electron.
mike c