The only effective Talisman (Taweez/Naqsh--Urdu) is prepared by the

help of electing a proper time (use electional chart).
A square (totalling figure corresponding to your need plus a religious text that figure is arrived and invoking an angel, a devil (djin) and a thought form (Mowakul in Urdu)

/or an insignia

and use of herbs and aromatics corresponding to planet/planets selected, on the line of homeopathic magic as described by Sir James Frazer.

A Talisman can improve things, but it can not grant what has not been promised in Natal chart. In some rare cases, it grants that un-promised things, but the cost (in spiritual/material) is so high that one has to admire the divine intelligence for striking the balance at every cost.

If the Sun in your natal chart is not a desired planet OR it was making un-wanted aspects, the Talisman may not work or work in an adverse way.

The time? how long it takes to work.


Depends on factors above considered.

So in the end, either the planets have effects or they don't.

That's the debate! I don't think they do. I think many astrologers tend to think the same way if they stop to reflect on it.

If you practice astrology, then you either believe planets have effects that can be measured through astrological technique, or you are doing it for fun.

I don't believe it. Many astrologers don't ? and not just those who have a lot of fun with their astrology. That's why the debate exists over whether or not the planets cause events and results, whether they produce the effects.

If you believe events can be timed propitiously, then again this presupposes planetary effects on terrestial things

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Not at all! It's a matter of matching actions and states with moments in time. If a you want some romance and 'hot action' then choose a time when Venus and Mars are in a working relationship (Just as an example. That's simplistic electional astrology!) You are matching the results you wish for with an appropriate quality of time. You aren't picking a time when planet Venus and planet Mars can put their atmospheres together and produce what you want. You are choosing a Venus-Mars time ? an occasion of Venus-Mars qualities and Venus-Mars imagery. The 'power' comes from matching the qualities of a moment with one's intentions. Matching the mind with appropriate imagery. That's all the magic you need. But we know it doesn't mean we're guaranteed to get what we want.

Any magical work, including astrological talismans, can be superstitiously approached and loaded with lots of delusions. It's a more psychologically dangerous territory than delineation of natal or horary charts due to the inevitable focus on one's own will and power. Therefore it's especially important to be cautious of others who are in the business. And that brings us back to this sentence from the original post:

I've attempted to discuss this with the astrologer who elected the time for the creation of the talisman, but any admittance of skepticism is taken by him as a personal attack ...

I wasn't just trying to be funny when I said to run away. It's a very wise idea to stay away from that crowd, or to proceed with extreme caution if proceed you must.

Hi LeoRising,
To respond to your initial post, I agree with Mithra6 - any planetary talisman or "alignment" such as wearing certain colours, etc, will not produce good results if that planet is in a poor condition (ie powerless, acting as a malefic etc) in your nativity. In effect you are "tapping into" the energies of that planet, and those energies will be a combination of the timing of the talisman, and your natal position/qualities. For example if your Sun is in Libra or Aquarius then I would not expect a Sun talisman to produce positive effects. Did you select a Sun talisman on the basis of your natal chart (did the astrologer look at your natal chart and say you would benefit from a "pepping up" of your Sun energies?) or was it selected on the basis of "I want some Sun energies in my life", without looking at how this fits into your chart?

My personal experience is that talismans do work, but only as an adjunct to the whole "magickal" or "affirmative" process of life change. I.e. you can't just wear one and expect to experience positive effects. I have also found that if your natal planet isn't up to scratch, you will be confronted with this if you make a talisman to "amp it up"! A natally peregrine planet, or one that is afflicted, will not produce positive results.

Keren

I understand what you're saying, but then again, all metaphysics attract a larger number of kooks.

I really don't see a distinction between regular electional astrology and magical elections.

First of all, just because you can elect the best time to get married, doesn't mean the marriage will amount to much. Astrologically speaking, maybe marriage isn't promised. All the perfect elections in the world won't promise love, happiness, or fame - just the right times to achieve it.

Magical election work the same way. A Venus talisman for love can only support those energies, but if Venus is debilitated in your natal or marriage isn't in the stars, the talisman probably won't help.

People expect Merlin to bend fate. It won't happen. A wealth talisman may or may not promise wealth. If your birth chart says you aren't going to have wealth, a talisman isn't going to give it to you. If the talisman was properly made, and that planet isn't debilitated in your chart, then maybe you'll get more money than usual near that time. You won't be rich though.

Kirk wrote:

I wasn't just trying to be funny when I said to run away. It's a very wise idea to stay away from that crowd, or to proceed with extreme caution if proceed you must.

I agree with you there. That's not a good thing.

delaforge wrote:
Perhaps, if you are not qualified to ?feel? your talisman?s energy yourself, you might seek out a psychometrist and have them ?sense? it for you.

Oh, I can feel the energy alright. No problem there. It does seem to be very highly charged. I've never questioned the charge, only the lack of perceivable benefits thus far ( about 2 months of daily wearing ). It may well be benefitting me greaty at an unperceivable level, but I want benefits that I can perceive.


Mithra6 wrote:
And actually I don't really think "feeling" something is good enough. I have done planetary talismans that worked amazingly well, yet I had no feeling when wearing them or making them.

I am a perfect example of this sentiment!


I have severed my relationship with this astrologer/magician, not becasue I question his astrological/magical knowledge ( in fact, I think the guy is a genius! ), but we just don't click on a person to person basis. Our communication styles just don't mesh and both of us are too stubborn to accommodate the other.

Hi LeoRising,

Okay, the situation is that you are satisfied the talisman is charged but that after two months of wearing it you can detect no perceivable results.

Perhaps you can tell us what results the talisman was designed to produce. What, in short, was the talisman expected to do for you? What specific changes have you been anticipating?

Delaforge

I've never questioned the charge, only the lack of perceivable benefits thus far ( about 2 months of daily wearing ). It may well be benefitting me greaty at an unperceivable level, but I want benefits that I can perceive.

2 months? Only 2 months? It sounds to me like 'I want it. I want it now'. Let's add: 'I want it in front of my face so that I know I have it'.

Are you sure you're even able to discern whether it has been granted to you or not? After all, we tend to perceive what we are used to perceiving. Habitual perception. It sounds to me like you never questioned the charge because you went into it (and your monetary expenditure) wanting to believe in the charge. That's the easy part. Matching desired results and your hoped-for schedule with reality is much harder.

My animosity toward these magical trinkets has grown.

Kirk wrote:
2 months? Only 2 months? It sounds to me like 'I want it. I want it now'. Let's add: 'I want it in front of my face so that I know I have it'.

You must be a numerologist too becasue you sure got my number! Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Delaforge wrote:
Perhaps you can tell us what results the talisman was designed to produce. What, in short, was the talisman expected to do for you? What specific changes have you been anticipating?


Sun Talisman: overall health and well being, remedy for melancholy / depression

My expectations: An overall sense of well-bing and a brighter outlook


I have experienced neither of these expected benefits thus far . I do however, enjoy wearing the Talisman, and I have a sense that it's doing something on my behalf....nothing that I am able to consciously put my finger on however. I spent 250 bucks for it, so I'll continue to wear it. I have no regrets about purchasing it. As Kirk pointed out, I am an impatiet sort and I'd like to experience results ASAP!

Do you know the sign, degree and house position of your Sun?

Mithra6 wrote:Do you know the sign, degree and house position of your Sun?

After 40 years of studying astrology, I finally found out my sun sign, its degree, and house position....just yesterday in fact

In my birth chart ( Leo ASC ) it's in the 11th @ 8:22 CN, in the sign of the Moon, the exaltation of Jupiter, the Triplicity of Venus, the Terms of Jupiter, the Face of Venus, the Detriment of Saturn, and the Fall of Mars.

In my relocated chart it's in the 12th, less than 6 degrees from the ASC.

Is it aspecting anything by square?
Cancer is not exactly an ideal place to have a natal sun

After 40 years of studying astrology, I finally found out my sun sign, its degree, and house position....just yesterday in fact

......I don't mean to sound insulting to you, but how is that even possible.
You really should learn more about Astrology and your own natal planets, some Planetary positions don't exactly mix well certain talismans especially planetary ones.