As a public service I'm offering some feet on the ground information.

Yes . Its worth bearing in mind that a pandemic doesn't have to equal mass mortality. Two of the three manor 20th Century pandemics killed less people than seasonal flu. And its instructive yet again to bring in my bit of simplistic "compare and contrast". The 1957 outbreak occured with Mars opposite Neptune, and no major hard aspects to Saturn or Pluto.

The 1968 pandemic had Mars square to Neptune and a stellium of planets in Virgo (Jupiter/Pluto/Sun/Uranus) quincunx to Saturn and sextile to Neptune.


I guess that the indirect linkage in current charts between the malefics and Neptune suggests that although clearly mortality has occured in this outbreak the linkage isn't direct either. And overall the planetary picture is nowhere near as compelling as either !957 or 1968 and certainly nowhere near as nasty as 1917-1918?????

However.. contrasting now with 1917 , 57 and 68 I suppose it would be possible to argue for an outbreak that was more severe than 1957, although I'm not sure. I can't help looking at the current planetary picture and seeing the "mortality event" and the Swine Flu as two seperate things???

mike c

Andrew Bevan wrote:On the other hand, Tom, health authorities do not understand the Swine flu, it is leathal and hitting the fit and the strong, mostly ages 25-50yrs.

But currently, the only fatalities from N1H1 are in Mexico.
Pluto relates to genetics, DNA, and evolution.. Rx would point to containment of that process. The virus has mutated in Mexico, but killed too many hosts there to survive itself, and has evolved into a less virulent form
(which is traveling) so that it can survive itself?

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-04-24-voa35.cfm
It seems that H5N1 hasn't gone away either, it is still on the Asian continent and has reached N Africa.

Looking at a global pandemic, would you consider the chart for the whole world? I think this exists but I wouldn't know where to look.???
Don't pigs ie swine have a connection to capricorn, as cloven hooved animals? This relates to Punkajubey's post about the cancer/capricorn axis. This is also called the solstice axis so seems to be of particular global significance.

What will happen when Pluto turns direct? The UK Government are stockpiling antiviral drugs and now face masks. Although not particularly known for it's accurate foresight, maybe in this case, better safe than sorry?

PallasAthene wrote:But currently, the only fatalities from N1H1 are in Mexico. Pluto relates to genetics, DNA, and evolution.. Rx would point to containment of that process. The virus has mutated in Mexico, but killed too many hosts there to survive itself, and has evolved into a less virulent form (which is traveling) so that it can survive itself?

Mexico being ruled by Capricorn, of course. (R.E.Bills)

Is there anything regarding the bicorporal chemistry and warm blooded/cold blooded metabolism of Capricorn that can tell us anything about how this virus works? The normal shield of armour is broken down?

Andrew Bevan wrote:

PallasAthene wrote:But currently, the only fatalities from N1H1 are in Mexico. Pluto relates to genetics, DNA, and evolution.. Rx would point to containment of that process. The virus has mutated in Mexico, but killed too many hosts there to survive itself, and has evolved into a less virulent form (which is traveling) so that it can survive itself?

Mexico being ruled by Capricorn, of course. (R.E.Bills)

And Pluto currently being Rx at 3 degrees Capricorn you mean?
If anyone can post relevant charts it would really help.

PallasAthene wrote:Don't pigs ie swine have a connection to capricorn, as cloven hooved animals? This relates to Punkajubey's post about the cancer/capricorn axis. This is also called the solstice axis so seems to be of particular global significance.

The name of the astronomer of Persian origin Varahamihira is derived from Varaha/Varaz which means 'boar' and Mihira/Meher/Mithra(s) which means 'Sun'. The Sun god accompanied by a boar. http://www.iranchamber.com/personalitie ... mihira.php

I read it a long time ago but if I remember well, in Michael Baigent's 'From the omens of Babylon', pigs were devoted to Saturn. Hence the Isrealites rejected the consuming of porc.

Perhaps I'm relating too easily but Saturn as ruler of Capricorn and Capricorn being the midwinter sign and therefore a special place for the Sun could make the pig related to Capricorn.

Andrew Bevan wrote:Unfortunately, health authorities do not understand to much about swine flu, yet. How it spreads and why it attacks mainly healthy and young people (in their sexual prime) rather than the old and sick. Do we have any chance of understanding the mechanics of such a virus from an astrological point of view?

This seems to 'fit' with that longduring Venus-Mars conjunction now.

The curious thing is that Capricorn actually rules the bones and knees. Gemini is connected with chest problems and it seems that pnemonia is the actual killer. Capricorn and saturn are not connected to youth either! Gemini is. What is the position of mercury in Mexico's chart? And it's position/transit at the time of the first cases/fatalites. AND.. where will it be in Nov when Pluto goes direct?

The coming Mercury Rx could also be a sign of temporary limitation for the virus.

I did a study of the 1918 epidemic in the US once, here is some info:

11 March 1918 the first case was reported before revellee so approx 6 or 6:30 am at Fort Riley Kansas

SUN 20 PIS 14
MOON 1 PIS 27
MERC 19 PIS 1
VENUS 14 AQU 17
MARS 25 VIR 15 Rx
JUPITER 4 GEM 34
SATURN 8 LEO 21 Rx
URANUS 25 AQU 12
NEPT 4 LEO 38Rx
PLUTO 3 CAN 27Rx
CHIRON 28 PIS 50
N NODE 27 SAG 41
Asc 11 Pis 50 (using 6:30 am chart)
MC 19 Sag 57

Placidus houses

Saturn in Leo on 6th house cusp opposite Venus
Sun in first in Opposition to Mars
Note the moon was recently critical moving from Aquarius to Pisces and is moving to perfect a Trine with Pluto, by the end of that day there was a very full sick ward at fort riley.

Swine Flu does actually have drugs to treat it, not the rabid illness that spanish flu was.

27 August 1918 Boston SAilers report ill with flu, I dotn have time for this one

SUN 3 VIR 31
MOON 18 TAU 10
MERC 13 VIR 39 Rx
VENUS 10 LEO 51
MARS 6 SCO 37
JUPITER 9 CAN 11
SATURN 20 LEO 7
URANUS 25 AQU 25Rx
NEPT 7 LEO 50
PLUTO 6 CAN 20
CHIRON 2 ARS 25
N NODE 19 SAG 8

Event: 5 September 1918 Massachusetts Dept of health issues Epidemic alert
SUN 12 VIRGO 13
MOON 14 VIR 12
MERC 5 VIR 40
VENUS 21 LEO 53
MARS 12 SCO 28
JUPITER 10 CAN 41
SATURN 21 LEO 14
URANUS 25 AQU 4 Rx
NEPT 8 LEO 8
PLUTO 6 CAN 27
CHIRON 2 ARS 2Rx
N NODE 18 SAG 18


October 1918 195,000 americans die of Flu
Sun passes through the dread 15 degrees libra
through 15 degrees Scorpio about this time

november 21 1918 san francisco declares safe to go out

December 1918 5000 more cases of flu reported in San Francisco

The shipyard at Mare Island in San Francisco Bay was turned into a makeshift hospital for military during this event, my grandfather built ships there in WWII many years later and there were still signs in some of the buildings of the once hospital use of them, some of the painters wouldnt' paint over the notes written on the walls. though a lot of those buildings are now gone. there is a lovely book on the subject I'll track it down and post the title later.

Granny

I did a study of the 1918 epidemic in the US once, here is some info:

hi as posted earlier above the the 1918 epidemic was a later more virulent wave of a global pandemic that was first recorded early in 1917. The multiple wave thing is perhaps worth exploring. Can we chart it with astrology???


On a sort of aside... the pig in mythology time and time again is associated with the demonic and the underword. Just prior to the outbreak in Mexico city being notified, the authorities there had been engaged in a major drive on the cult of "Mr. Death". A cult which is growing in strength to the point of rivalling the Catholic church amongst the poor and disenfranchised. They had been sending the army in to smash up shrines on the grounds that there were connections with drug cartels. This had led to mass protests. Mr. Death is a robed skeletal figure looking a bit like the US band the Grateful Dead's "Skull and Roses" logo.

mike c

Thought you might like a link to an article on the recent drive on "Santa Muerte".

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =102928118


mike c

oops ! apologies to Santa Muerte, just realised I started off calling her Mr. Death when clearly she's a girl! I think!
mike c

I wrote:Is there anything regarding the bicorporal chemistry and warm blooded/cold blooded metabolism of Capricorn that can tell us anything about how this virus works? The normal shield of armour is broken down?

PallasAthene wrote:The curious thing is that Capricorn actually rules the bones and knees.

I was thinking more in terms of the crust, skin and surface that divides, protects and screens us from our environment.

Capricorn is the amphibian of the zodiac. The warm blooded and cold blooded metabolism of the sign shows a disturbed chemistry. By introducing a virus there is a mixture of systems that break each other down. The Saturn ruler could relate to the biological strictures that are being violated.