Solaqua said,

Just wanted to emphasise that a prominent Moon (denotes people in Mundane Astrology) can also bring fame and popularity.

The Dark Moon (less than 72 degrees from the Sun applying or separating) is less likely to bring fame (light) even if prominently placed than is the Bright Moon. It is generally more difficult for Dark Moon people to manifest potential.

Tara

I'd also look for certain fixed stars prominent in the chart, though the doryphory and a strong Moon are certainly also indicators.

But there are usually - not always but usually - fixed stars involved.

is there not a part of eminence that follows the general rules of aphesis per project hindsight?

I just ran across this statement pertaining to famous people:

Astrologers experience:

?Michael Munkasey remarked to me that the data-base he used of famous people in developing his midpoint weighing system was overloaded with planets on nodal positions, and Zip Dobyns notes that aspects to the outer planetary nodes occur with great frequency in world figures. Diane Rosenburg and Arlene Nimark have found the Uranus node prominent (and occupied) in charts of astrologers. Diana uses the 90 degree dial marked for nodal positions and considered them to have the purer essence of the planet than the transiting planet in aspect itself.?

?Essentials of Intermediate Astrology,? Cycles, by Mary Downing, page 93-94

I have never worked with Nodal positions of the planets. I think planetary nodes are the zodiac position of the planets when they cross the ecliptic. Does anyone know a web site that gives the Nodal positions (Geo) of the planets-particularly the outer planets? Or can someone post these Nodal positions?

Regards, Steve

Hello Steve,

Be very careful with the list of planetary nodes tabulated in the net because:
1. they are different for different "centric" charts i.e. there are different lists for Geocentric and Heliocentric Planetary Nodes.

2. The nodes do change with time.

Some of the tables given on the net are just copied from books pulblished in the 60s (which of course give the positions in 1960). Some didn't put whether they are geocentric or heliocentric positions.

The best way to find the nodes is to use a reliable software. Do you have Solar Fire? If you do, I can tell you the way to get these positions.

Some Notes on the Planetary Nodes:
- the sun has no planetary nodes (sun is always on the ecliptic!).
- the heliocentric and geocentric nodes of the moon are the same because the moon revolves around the earth.
- the geocentric and heliocentric planetary nodes are different because they neither revolve around us nor do we revolve around any planets (the earth and the planets revolve around the sun).
- the earth revolves around the sun, hence geocentric/heliocentric nodes for the earth are the same and they do not change according to the tropical zodiac. The north (or ascending) node of the earth is the spring equinox and the south (or descending) node of the earth is the autumn equinox.
- the heliocentric nodes of the planets do not change much over the years.
- the geocentric nodes of the outer planets do not change much over the years
- the geocentric nodes of the planets (especially inner planets and Mars) do change significantly.
- the heliocentric north and south nodes are always opposite one another.
- the geocentric north and south nodes need not be in opposition to one another!

List of Planetary Nodes according to Solar Fire:

Heliocentric Planetary Nodes:

Pluto
NN 19Can38 (1950), 20Can17 (2000), 20Can59 (2050)
SN 19Cap38 (1950), 20Cap38 (2000), 20Cap59 (2050)

Neptune
NN 11Leo14 (1950), 11Leo47 (2000), 12Leo20 (2050)
SN 11Aqu14 (1950), 11Aqu47 (2000), 12Aqu20 (2050)

Uranus
NN 13Gem45 (1950), 14Gem00 (2000), 14Gem16 (2050)
SN 13Sag45 (1950), 14Sag00 (2000), 14Sag16 (2050)

Saturn
NN 23Can14 (1950), 23Can40 (2000), 24Can06 (2050)
SN 23Cap14 (1950), 23Cap40 (2000), 24Cap06 (2050)

Jupiter
NN 09Can57 (1950), 10Can28 (2000), 10Can59 (2050)
NN 09Cap57 (1950), 10Cap28 (2000), 10Cap59 (2050)

Mars
NN 19Tau10 (1950), 19Tau33 (2000), 19Tau57 (2050)
SN 19Sco10 (1950), 19Sco33 (2000), 19Sco57 (2050)

Venus
NN 16Gem14 (1950), 16Gem41 (2000), 17Gem08 (2050)
SN 16Sag14 (1950), 16Sag41 (2000), 17Sag05 (2050)

Mercury
NN 17Tau44 (1950), 18Tau20 (2000), 18Tau56 (2050)
SN 17Sco44 (1950), 18Sco20 (2000), 18Sco56 (2050)


Geocentric Planetary Nodes:

Pluto
NN 19Can52 (1950), 20Can33 (2000), 21Can14 (2050)
SN 19Cap21 (1950), 20Cap01 (2000), 20Cap41 (2050)

Neptune
NN 12Leo14 (1950), 12Leo48 (2000), 13Leo21 (2050)
SN 10Aqu17 (1950), 10Aqu49 (2000), 11Aqu23 (2050)

Uranus
NN 12Gem24 (1950), 12Gem40 (2000), 12Gem55 (2050)
SN 14Sag59 (1950), 15Sag14 (2000), 15Sag32 (2050)

Saturn
NN 24Can49 (1950), 25Can20 (2000), 25Can43 (2050)
SN 22Cap03 (1950), 22Cap26 (2000), 22Cap55 (2050)

Jupiter
NN 09Can57 (1950), 10Can36 (2000), 11Can02 (2050)
NN 09Cap57 (1950), 10Cap22 (2000), 10Cap56 (2050)

Mars
NN 07Ari20 (1950), 07Ari39 (2000), 08Ari02 (2050)
SN 08Sag31 (1950), 08Sag42 (2000), 09Sag16 (2050)

Venus
NN 21Aqu54 (1950), 21Aqu20 (2000), 22Aqu31 (2050)
SN 29Sag56 (1950), 00Cap02 (2000), 00Cap44 (2050)

Mercury
NN 27Cap27 (1950), 27Cap12 (2000), 28Cap08 (2050)
SN 24Sag10 (1950), 24Sag13 (2000), 25Sag02 (2050)

All of the above dates are at Jan 1 in years mentioned in parenthesis.


Remember that the Geocentric planetary Nodes do change along the year:

Example:

Geocentric positions of Mars in 2010:
1 Jan: NN 7Ari20, SN 08Sag31
1 Mar: NN 22Ari12, SN 26Sag51
1 Jun: NN 27Tau37, SN 18Lib20
1 Sep: NN 28Gem58, SN 22Lib11

This is why the geocentric planetary nodes are not "listed" - better get them from softwares!

The heliocentric planetary nodes do not change much! Hence, you can use the above heliocentric planetary nodes positions and interpolate for the times/years in between. You cannot do this for the geocentric planetary nodes positions because (as you can see for Mars) the geocentric nodes positions change across the year (although you might think that they do not using the list above because they are listed for years 1950, 2000 and 2050 on the same date i.e. 1 Jan of the year! They actually change on different dates in the same year).

Hope this is clear and helpful. If others find mistakes in the list, please rectify.

astrojin wrote:
Hope this is clear and helpful.

Hi astrojin, Your post was very clear and helpful. I have never had any experience working with planetary nodes except for lunar nodes.

astrojin wrote:
The best way to find the nodes is to use a reliable software. Do you have Solar Fire? If you do, I can tell you the way to get these positions.

I have Solar Fire 7 and would greatly appreciate detailed instructions to get nodal positions. Thanks much for your reply post.

Regards, Steve

Hell Steve,

First, you need to decide whether you want the geocentric or heliocentric list of planetary nodes.

To make sure that you get the correct list of planetary nodes (geocentric or heliocentric), you need to input this in when you create a new chart.

I think you know how to create a new chart using solar fire!

After you open Solar Fire, you either click the "Cast a New Chart" icon (on the top left) or you could select Chart - New from the main menu or simply press F2.

The Input pop up window will appear where you enter the birth details (date, time, place, etc.). It is here that you set whether you want geocentric or heliocentric list. You do this by selecting geocentric or heliocentriic in the Coordinate System field (on the right of the pop-up window).

Then, you get the report of the current chart. There are many ways to do this. The name of the chart will appear on the Calculated Charts Window. Double click this and the View Chart Window will appear. Click Redraw and then click Reports. You will see on your top right of the pop-up window two Tabs i.e. Reports and Tabulations. Make sure that Reports is selected. Scroll down until you see Planetary Nodes. All of the planetary nodes will be listed here (together with their aspects but the positions of the planetary nodes will be list first before their aspects). Ascending Nodes are North Nodes and Descending Nodes are South Nodes.

You can actually do 2 identical charts with the exception of the Coordinate Systems and see the differences. Always remember that you must click Redraw before clicking Reports (shown above) because Solar Fire sometimes does not refresh itself!

I really appreciate this info astrojin! Thanks for taking the time for Solar Fire nodal instructions.

Regards, Steve