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Lets look at Allan Octavian Hume, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Octavian_Hume

He was one of the founders of the Indian National Congress, please scroll down link to "Theosophy", being a free thinker about religion and had some dealings with The Theosophical Society.

The first session of the Indian National Congress was held in Bombay/Mumbai from 28th-31st December 1885.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_National_Congress

The middle two dates are of interest at the modern start of the day, being midnight on 29th and 30th Dec. 1885.

At midnight on 29th Dec. 1885, Alnilam, Belt of Orion is culminating, straight up from South within 2 mins 59 secs. well within the astrologers four minute margin in Mumbai.

At midnight on 30th Dec 1885 at location Alnilam culminates on M.C. within 56 secs.

Obviously not all in India followed Hinduism, therefore there would be Muslim break-away independence movements that will be discussed in the next thread section.

When the Muslim League was started in Dhaka, Bengal, which is now Bangladesh, (23*N43'23", 90*E24'31"), it seems that the midnight day marker was used again, using 30th December 1906.

The Muslim League eventually gained independence for Pakistan and after a war Bangladesh, please note i'm making observations not judgements!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_League

At the location of Dhaka, Bengal/Bangladesh at the midnight day marker on 30th December 1906, Sirius was culminating in the centre of the sky, straight up from South on an astronomy programme or Starlight, within the four minute astrologers margin!

Bangladesh is most interesting in this study of governments that use Sirius and Alnilam to align their country to astrology.

If you look to the right of link below you will get the date of independence declared, being 26th March 1971, and Victory day is celebrated on 16th December 1971.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh

The alignments featured below, are from the Capital, Dhaka

On Friday 26th March 1971 in Dhaka using the midnight day marker, we find Sirius setting along the horizon in the West, within the four minute astrologers margin!

Victory Day, being Thursday 16th December 1971 in Dhaka was a very special day in that location, for it is marked at midnight and the Egyptian day marker being sunrise!

At midnight on 16th Dec. 1971 Alnilam, Belt of Orion was culminating on the M.C. within the four minute astrologers margin.

At Sunrise being 06:37:04am we find Sirius setting along the horizon in the West, by Starlight, within the four minute margin!

Lets look at the Flag of Bangladesh that was adopted on 17th January 1972.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bangladesh

On 17th January 1972, the Sun set at 17:29:39pm in the location of Dhaka, as the Sun set, in the location of Dhaka, Sirius was rising in the East along the horizon, within the four minute margin by Starlight!

Hi Kirk,

As always as i write there seems a problem over anyone debating with me, could you explain this, as i bring up topics that anyone that has serious intention of being involved in debate over truth would gladly be involved in?

Monk.

You always give us too much to read that covers too many points and too much world history! This time, after the title How Governments use the Stars, you enter into a discussion of vegetarian restaurants in London and mention Jack the Ripper. Then we move on to Gandhi, the Pythagoreans, the Fabian Society, Edward Carpenter (with a comment on the Independent Labour Party's first conference), sun cults, George Bernard Shaw, the Emperor Aurelian, Annie Horniman, Florence Farr, The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, Annie Besant and the Theosophical Society, back to vegetarianism, on to Co-Freemasonry ? all of which has apparently led us by some sort of natural progression to ?The date is Wednesday Evening 8th September 1875 in New York?. Then we're off to the Indian National Congress, the Muslim League . . . And so many links along the way. It's too much, and too hard to know where and how to start a reply.




Oh, I forgot to mention Henry S. Salt.

Perhaps J. K. Rowling would be sad that you didn't decipher her symbolism?

Http://thehogshead.org/fabian-society-post-160/

I can't see her taking much interest in what I do.

So, we've gone from Henry S. Salt to Harry Potter. We need to steer this behemoth back toward mundane astrology and governments using the stars, if it's at all possible in this boundless sea.

Oh dear . . . I just realized this isn't the mundane forum. Since we do philosophy in this one, we probably can cover everything under the Sun (and beyond) so long as we do it in earnest and use a lot of words. It's your pond, Monk.

Hi Kirk,

I'm sorry you find history tedious, you do seem to have a problem with Henry S. Salt being in any way being influencial on Gandhi, perhaps a little more reading will help?

http://www.ivu.org/history/salt/

Henry S. Salt was influencial on a great deal of political reformers, so if you want to show links between different groups, then it is usual to show how it came about.

The Theosophical Society always did want political reform in India, and worked towards that end, which can only be a good thing!

I have left links to where i write on page one that is full of Hermetic electional astrology, it is irrational to write it all out again, if you have any questions about the link, please give page number and thread section as ref. and i will get back to you.

My interests are varied, another interest is Phi and i talk about this from thread section #15 on this link:-

www.open2.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13507

There are 3 pages to link, please turn over page.

Did Japan align the stars to its war effort in the 1930's?

The Meiji Constitution was put in place in Tokyo on 29th November 1890.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meiji_Constitution

I use ancient parans, calcalations are the same as an astronomy progamme or Brady's Starlight, that start at Sunrise Midnight or Sunset on date....projected measure is inaccurate.

On date and location, the Sun rose at 06:34:44am, while Alnilam was setting in the West along the horizon within the four minutes of time margin.

Generally it is noted that the Japanese militarists staged the explosion that started the Mukden Incident to provide an excuse to start invading Manchuria.

Mukden is now called Shenyang, 41*N47'32", 123*E25'58", date 18th Sept. 1931, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukden_Incident

At location and date the Sun rose at 05:32:22am, while Alnilam was culminating in the middle of the sky (M.C.) within the four minute margin.

Things calmed down till the Marco Polo Bridge Incident, link below:-

Location Beijing, 39*N55'44", 116*E23'18"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo_Bridge_Incident

Date 7 July 1937, the Sun rose at 04:57:07am, Alnilam, belt of Orion rose within the four minute margin!

The Nanking Massacre was awful, Nanking now called Nanjing, 32*N03'42", 118*E46'40".

Date 9th Dec. 1937, the Sun rose at location at 06:57:54am, while Sirius is just below the horizon in the West, however its settinng is within the four minute margin, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

Finally we can look at the attack on Pearl Harbour, nearest point Pearl City, Hawaii, 21*N24'30", 157*W58'01"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor

On 7th Dec. 1941 at location the Sun rose at 06:31am, while Alnilam was setting in the West, a tell-tale sign of electional astrology is Jupiter is also setting!

I would think this has to do with Hermetic philosophy, as this is an Egyptian star associated with Osiris?

Interesting as Japan is the land of the rising Sun!

Parans are ancient astrology, time of event isn't used, but the start of the day at the three points of sunrise midnight or sunset.

We have looked at the second Sino-Japanese war and the war aims of Japan at the beginning of the 2nd World War....is there any more we can say about the 2nd World War, the First Sino-Japanese War or the Russian-Japanese war of 1905 with Japanese star alignments?....Yes there is!

Before we go forward, we must look at Taisei Yokusankai, being The Imperial Rule Assistance Association, put in place in Tokyo on 12 October 1940, this outlawed all other political parties in Japan, and was used to promote the goals of Shintaisen, which was "New World Order".....heard that before!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_R ... ssociation

On this occasion the start of the day was aligned to Ancient Greek philosophy which is sunset on 11th Oct. 1940 in Tokyo, so on this Friday the Sun set at 17:07:33pm by Brady's Starlight Programme, while Sirius was aligned to the Nadir, out of synch by 3 mins 4 secs, so within the four minute margin.

The Fix i have on the Philippine islands of the Batanes is Basco link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basco,_Batanes

By looking at this link, it was the first part of the Philippines that the Japanese occupied, thus we find sentence " In the morning of 8th Dec. 1941, the Japanese landed on the Batan Islands".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batanes

I have used Basco as a fix and on 8th Dec. 1941, the Sun rose at 06:19:30am, while Alnilam and Jupiter were setting in the West on Desc. by paran.

On 2nd Jan. 1942, the Japanese walked into the Capital, Manila, 14*N35', 121*E00', midnight day marker used, although slightly out of four minutes, Sirius was culminating by paran, however out of synch by 4 mins 3 secs.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/60th/1942/1-42.html

On 22nd Dec. 1941 the Japanese started an invasion of the Lingayin Gulf, please read link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingayin_Gulf

One place they mention is Agoo, Pangasinian, Philippines, 15*N46', 120*E22'.

The Sun rose on that day and location at 06:24:53am, and Sirius is just below the Horizon in the West by paran, however this is within the four minute margin used by Brady's Starlight, try two minutes earlier when Sirius is out of synch by 01 mins 27 secs, so two minutes later it is out by 3 mins 27 secs.

It looks like Japanese "Star Wars", i'll give you a few weeks to reply, then we will move on to the Borneo occupation!

Hi Kirk, haven't heard from you lately?