Well, with respect to the Quality of the Mind, in seminar with John Frawley we learned that a combust or USB Mercury might indicate a *good* mind, because of the "direct connection" between the Sun as source of Truth, and Mercury the Messenger...

Does it mean their action are invisible as well? Your opinion is that such a planet can not be a ruler of action. But I found out many natal charts disagree

Hi, in fact I don?t think that! I was probably commenting on Ptolemy and didn?t separate things enough :-)

I also have found in too many natal charts that a combust planet was the ruler of profession... so, or our understand of vocation and profession is wrong (and you can be a talented painter based on your mars, for instance, but I think this really destroy most of the teaching) or maybe the signification of the sun with career and fame supersede the symbolism of combustion.

As one time I was discussing with Estebon, I believe that the same planet or the same configuration can have really different meanings depending of what field of the life we are studying.

hervaro wrote:Well, with respect to the Quality of the Mind, in seminar with John Frawley we learned that a combust or USB Mercury might indicate a *good* mind, because of the "direct connection" between the Sun as source of Truth, and Mercury the Messenger...

This for what I know is traditional, but not in the case of career and profession.

This everybody repeated, an invisible planet cannot act (between the rest of required conditions) and this is exactly the reason why Mercury with the Sun gives a good mind (especially in its proper sect and side of epycycle), because mind is generally opposite to the action.

margherita

zuli wrote:Yuzuru, I read your notes, I agree with most of them. Planets within 15 deg to Sun are invisible. Does it mean their action are invisible as well? Your opinion is that such a planet can not be a ruler of action. But I found out many natal charts disagree. For example, people who have in their charts Mercury very near Sun (ecpecially if the Sun does not see another planet) are very thinking, talkative, quick. They express exactly the nature of Mercury, do they not?

Mercury does seem to be the exception in cases of Profession/Reputation, a combust to under-the-beams Mercury is considered a fortified significator when delineating the natives Mastery. This doesn't eliminate the need to consider the zodiacal state of both planets and the aspects they receive.

Mercury does seem to be the exception in cases of Profession/Reputation, a combust to under-the-beams Mercury is considered a fortified significator when delineating the natives Mastery.

Is this a traditional principle or a modern assumption? I am genuinely asking because it seems surprising to me, but it is a long time since I have studied the traditional approach to the assesment of career. I also think that Mercury is generally not as heavily afflicted by combustion as the other planets, because its cycle is closer to and more obviously centred upon the body of the Sun; but on the other hand I never think the combustion is irrelevant or giving fortitude, and wouldn't have thought it helpful in matters of career except in the situations that require discretion/diplomacy or secrecy, etc. Hence this surprises me a little.

I'd have to wonder if Mercury in these charts is in fact not combust, being in its domicile, exaltation, or confines?

here's where I discussed the difference in combustion when Combustion is involved with a significator of Mastery with Yuzuru.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 5&start=45

This is in respect to any planet the is conjoined the Sun when considered the significator of Mastery. Now most traditional authorities claim that Mercury is the planet least affected by combustion normally. Put the two together, and you have-
"Mercury as a significator of Profession is in fact fortified by combustion."

Hi Estebon

I don't want to be controversial about the point, or disrespect your experience, but

Now most traditional authorities claim that Mercury is the planet least affected by combustion normally

This is what I'm curious about - whether that is generally reported traditionally. Does anyone have a traditional reference to suggest that Mercury is fortified by combustion? Personally, think it is quite a move from saying that Mercury is not so debilitated by combustion, to suggesting that it is fortified by the condition. I don't think it is even common to find traditional authors reporting that it is least affected - I'm guessing that's a relatively modern assesment.

Thanks for answering anyway. I am purely curious.

Deb

i'll dig out the references for considering Mercury the least afflicted planet when under combustion.
We are not saying that Mercury is always fortified by combustion, though is fortified when considered a significator of Mastery. (I included the reference on the other thread)

Thanks. I appreciate that. I'll take a look at the other thread too.
Deb

Estebon_Duarte wrote:i'll dig out the references for considering Mercury the least afflicted planet when under combustion.
We are not saying that Mercury is always fortified by combustion, though is fortified when considered a significator of Mastery. (I included the reference on the other thread)

This is Holden version. He adds "not"
note says "adds Bonatti"

That a combust planet can signify is very strange, so I need inquire more....moreover because according Medieval authors Mercury with the Sun is proper to study because it's opposite to action.

It would be interesting hearing Dr. Dykes, because he is an expert, and moreover translated the text, or finding other similar quotes.

margherita

To make more sense of what is being discussed here, this is what Estebon wrote in the other thread:

Interesting is its [combustion] differing use when applied to different techniques, for example, in Abu Ali's On the Judgements of Nativities (pg.299,dykes) concerning the native's "Significator of Mastery" (Professional Significator);

"And if the Sun aspected it or were with it, so that he would even burn it up with his rays, it signifies he is a high master, and of the greatest loftiness, and a writer for kings, and of great value among them, with a noble mastery and much teaching."

I'll send Ben Dykes an email but I think he is currently travelling, so probably won't be able to check the thread for a while.